EVE General Discussion

agree with the idea as long as it's a memorial for any verified, deceased player of EVE.

I'm no expert on lore. Having said that, within the game itself there must be times when Capsuleers do not get re-cloned and actually perish. There has to be, to explain why "real world" death causes the immortal Capsuleer never to return. This is different than players who de-sub and someday may return, or characters that are bought and sold.

So, I would expect that the "True Death" would be an extremely painful and memorable event in the Capsuleer community. In my mind it doesn't seem a big leap to think that Capsuleers would be particulary inclined to erect some type of memorial in their honor.

OR - They simply happen upon a natural phenonenom that they deem worthy of symbolizing such a memorial. Which is kind of what I have proposed.

Apologies for the typos, writing on my phone.

I'm fully in support of this idea.

I do think that actual names should not be mentioned. Just a simple tribute to all Capsuleers who can no longer play with us through no choice of their own.

There's beauty in simplicity and any debates about which names should or should not appear on the memorial will only tarnish it.

Keep it simple, keep it pure.

I have cleaned this thread of off topic posts, personal attacks and discussion of moderation. Repeated breaches of forum rules will lead to warnings and ultimately to a temporary or permanent revocation of forum access privileges.

I will remind people just once, that this thread is for discussing the creation of a memorial for ALL fallen pod pilots. Kindly have some restraint and respect when posting in here and stay on topic - ISD Type40.

+1

Paid my subs after 4 months away just so I could log in and post on this.

Q: Do we include ALL nationalities etc. - EVEN if they're the "other side". Do we have Eve players who might be deemed as "enemies of the state"?

I think what I'm asking is if the memorial is to ~Eve players~ who have died in the line of duty regardless of who he fought for?

Who decides?

I am no one important.

I've fought in some major battles, sure.... been in fleet with greatness, been called "Primary" by greatness, and every now and then, had greatness go "squish" under my guns.

But, should I die tomorrow, my passing will have no impact on the vast majority of EVE.

Every city has a cenotaph... a place to remember the dead from WW1 and WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq 1 and 2, Afghanistan. Our brothers down under remember their ANZAC fallen, and Canadians like me feel a little swell of pride mixed with sadness every time we hear "In Flanders Fields".

Yes, there needs to be an e-cenotaph, a place to remember the dead of EVE. Those who contributed to the ecosystem of EVE, even if it was simply being a target on someone else's overview.

But then there are the giants of EVE:

Seleene, Molle, Istvan, The Mittani, VR..... these pilots did more than fly and fight. They created CONTENT, and it is by their machinations, dedication and perspiration that EVE has remained viable, vibrant and vivacious.

EVE would be no better or no worse off if I, Paddlefoot Aeon, had never played.

But EVE would be smaller, less fun.... a pale shadow, if giants like VR had never joined.

When one of these giants leaves us, their footprints NEED to be preserved.

In real life, we rename streets for a politician, a soldiers.... a hero.

In EVE, our systems are our streets.... and there is one out there just waiting...


I've spent a career in EVE hating everything GOON......... its been awesome, and I've enjoyed every minute.
Thanks VR.

I see no reason not to have an e-cenotaph as it were - I never met Vile Rat that I can recall, but I'm aware of his works within New Eden.

He's naturally not the first friend we've lost over the last near decade - and I have lost a few friends along the way as I suspect have we all.

As much as I like the idea of the black hole/ring of fire - I massively prefer the idea of a single (HUGE) Monolith ala 2001/2010 - creation of new life and all that.

Regardless of what we get in the end, I trust CCP to make it something suitably reserved, decent and honourable.

As for the comment about sides and enemies - I'll paraphrase a quote from someone far greater (and far deader than the rest of us)

"In death there are no enemies, there are only memories and the dead"

Em.

I disagree. Even though I am instinctually sceptical of and generally against any sort of "out of character" memorial that is permanently placed in the game by CCP, what makes Rixx's idea somewhat viable is that it is non-political (assuming there are no specific names on the memorial). As soon as you dedicate the memorial to certain people or a certain group of people you politicise it, it becomes divisive and in my opinion undermines the original intent.

As part of this politicisation you bring up new divisive issues. Who deserves to be memorialised and why? How big of an impact on the game did they have to make? How do you measure the impact they had? Who has the final say on who gets memorialised? CCP? CCP have long had a policy of remaining neutral on all issues of politics or favouritism (I admit they have partially broken that policy recently with their community spotlight, but they have been extremely careful as to who they choose so far so as to not be seen as politically motivated decisions). Could the CSM make the decision? Well the CSM is all about politics and personal or alliance specific agendas, no matter how much some of them may deny it.

These same sorts of issues arise in the real world in regards to the military memorials that you mentioned. Military memorials are by definition political and raise the deaths of soldiers above the deaths of other citizens. But the big difference is that in the real world local groups can get together to make their own memorials with the help of local governments. So if they want to, medical organisations could fundraise and organise a memorial to all deceased medical staff. Or bus drivers could organise a memorial to deceased bus drivers.

But in EVE this memorial will have to be not only OK'd by CCP but then created and implemented by CCP. And CCP are neither a political body nor a governmental body. I very much doubt they would ever implement (and hope that they don't) a memorial to specific players.

So I think Rixx's idea is the best chance for people who want to see some sort of memorial implemented in the game. Non-political, no favouritism and mostly lore friendly.

I also disagree that the big names in EVE are more important to the life and content of the game than the average user, but this post has already turned into a wall of text and that would be getting into a whole other discussion.

[ Originally posted on Eveoganda ]

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Jita

News has spread rapidly throughout New Eden of a recent Capsuleer discovery of a new System and a strange but beautiful steller phenomenon, which is rapidly becoming known as the Ring of Fire. Eveoganda is the first news source to receive confirmation of this discovery and spoke to Wormhole explorer and Capsuleer Morgan Bigbutte in Jita.

"We were just probin' a new Wormhole, like usual," Bigbutte said from his Captain's Quarters in Jita, "we didn't expect anything unusual." He paused as if to catch his breath before continuing, "But the readings were off the charts, an exit hole unlike anything we'd seen before. It was massive. So we sent one of the younger pilots thru, y'know, in case it was dangerous..." He shakes his head and laughs to himself. "It wasn't long before we all went thru. The System we came out in wasn't on any of the charts... it's a new System."

The System he speaks of has now been designated as VR-0912 and is located at the far end of Tribute. But the new System isn't the most exciting discovery. "The entire System is empty, nothing but blackness, except for a massive black hole devouring a Red Giant star... it is eating the Star from the inside... I've never seen anything like it in all my years."

Caldarian Astrophysics Professor and Explorer Canton Hope explains, "From what we've been able to determine from our expedition, this is an 'exit gate', similar to the Eve Gate in many respects. But possibly the polar opposite in many important respects. We can't get closer than 100AU from the event, the tidal forces destroy our probes and rip them to pieces. But what we do know is the event is the largest we've seen since the Eve Gate."

The 'event' which is now known as the Ring of Fire, has been taken up in a popular Capsuleer movement that is gaining widespread support from all four Empires as a memorial to fallen Capsuleer pilots. The Amarrian Empire has already issued an official declaration of support and it seems the Caldari might not be far behind. Although the Amarrian declaration contains much religious overtones, it is primarily a political document. Gaining Capsuleer support is critical to each of the Empires.

Wanton Disregard, the young Capsuleer who was the first to see the Ring of Fire, explains, "It is simply the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. It was almost a religious experience, you can't help yourself. I immediately thought about the friends I've lost, the immortals who will never return."

Will the Ring of Fire become a permanent memorial? Only time will tell.

Being killed while outside the capsule can kill a capsuleer. They can survive it, if they have a 'softclone', which rather than having their consciousness transferred to it instantly, is more like a backup. A previous save. It's not up to date, and, if it's been a while since it was updated, they may have no memory of large periods of time.

Of course, if there is no softclone at all.. then thats it.