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If you're an arse in the game, you're an arse outside the game ...

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Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#61 - 2012-09-17 19:10:53 UTC
Too-Boku wrote:
Eve Online and the emergent gameplay therein; is a product of our society. In the 60's decisions were made with far-reaching impacts that are coming to harvest today. Removing the bible from schools and the outlaw of mentioning of God anywhere in public.

Legal and easy abortions which were intended to be safe and rare. Are now used as a major form of birth control. Liberal democratic policies which promotes the idea of "you are your own God, there is no other, do what you wish."

I for one, am stunned at the self-righteous, moral high ground that soo many take in regards to this game, whereas our society is demanding that morals be tossed to the wind. What is good and what is evil? Who decides if there is no God? No higher authority than ourselves?
Why do people like you still exist? Straight
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Too-Boku
Doomheim
#62 - 2012-09-17 19:17:48 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Oh you mean the massive and sustained drop in violent crime we've seen over the last couple of decades?


Yo dawg I heard you like statistics.

UK http://i.imgur.com/F333R.jpg

US http://i.imgur.com/ZnPb5.jpg

Three times as high as it used to be. Unfortunately there is no reliable world-wide stat. Just keep telling yourself everything is alright.
Corwain
Rum Booty Plunder
#63 - 2012-09-17 19:21:18 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Too-Boku wrote:
Eve Online and the emergent gameplay therein; is a product of our society. In the 60's decisions were made with far-reaching impacts that are coming to harvest today. Removing the bible from schools and the outlaw of mentioning of God anywhere in public.


Oh you mean the massive and sustained drop in violent crime we've seen over the last couple of decades?

Well I suppose with the amount of gratuitous and bloody violence, ****, slavery, incest, theft, treachery and child-murder in the Bible, it's hardly surprising that removing such a rich source of bad ideas has had such a positive result.


I would say that EVE actually raises some very interesting points that go over the heads of both the religious and the atheist. For instance...if you agreed to go into EVE for real as a pod pilot for a certain number or "deaths" before you were pulled out would you play EVE any differently? Does whatever happens in EVE stay in EVE? How do we know (for sure) RL isn't just another virtual world of some kind? Perhaps everyone here has already signed off on "whatever happens in RL stays in RL." Who's to say a just "sysadmin" wouldn't be as hands-off CCP? OR, perhaps I really am sinning by exercising my "free will" and causing another human being to suffer (however superficially) by blowing up his internet spaceship.
Corwain
Rum Booty Plunder
#64 - 2012-09-17 19:22:59 UTC
Too-Boku wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Oh you mean the massive and sustained drop in violent crime we've seen over the last couple of decades?


Yo dawg I heard you like statistics.

UK http://i.imgur.com/F333R.jpg

US http://i.imgur.com/ZnPb5.jpg

Three times as high as it used to be. Unfortunately there is no reliable world-wide stat. Just keep telling yourself everything is alright.


Pretty sure he's talking about these statistics.

That said, Pinker is a great linguist...not statistician.
Too-Boku
Doomheim
#65 - 2012-09-17 19:24:52 UTC
Paul Oliver wrote:
Why do people like you still exist? Straight


Paul Oliver wrote:
Because I choose to be. Bear

Why don't you see that what I stated is also pvp?
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#66 - 2012-09-17 19:51:06 UTC
Too-Boku wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Oh you mean the massive and sustained drop in violent crime we've seen over the last couple of decades?


Yo dawg I heard you like statistics.

UK http://i.imgur.com/F333R.jpg

US http://i.imgur.com/ZnPb5.jpg

Three times as high as it used to be. Unfortunately there is no reliable world-wide stat. Just keep telling yourself everything is alright.


You do know how long a couple of decades is correct?

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Abannan
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2012-09-17 20:05:10 UTC
I am gallente but definatly not french
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#68 - 2012-09-17 20:28:06 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
I donate half of my paychecks to orphanages, but only so they feel a greater sense of loss when I burn them down.

I totally only mine and manufacture in EVE though.

Wow, I do the same, except it's chruches.

If the church is also an orphanage it's usually a bonus. In EVE, I build stuff; go figure.
Jett0
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#69 - 2012-09-17 21:23:31 UTC
What if your main is a pretty cool dude, but your alt is a merciless pirate?

Occasionally plays sober
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2012-09-17 21:25:41 UTC
What if I'm the cuddliest of cuddly carebears ingame, but jack the ripper with a chainsaw and miniguns strapped to my shoulders IRL?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#71 - 2012-09-17 21:28:01 UTC
Too-Boku wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Oh you mean the massive and sustained drop in violent crime we've seen over the last couple of decades?


Yo dawg I heard you like statistics.

UK http://i.imgur.com/F333R.jpg

US http://i.imgur.com/ZnPb5.jpg

Three times as high as it used to be. Unfortunately there is no reliable world-wide stat. Just keep telling yourself everything is alright.


Not to call you dumb or anything but you should probably re-read the thing you quoted then look at your graphs again then go "OH GOD I'M DUMB".
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#72 - 2012-09-17 21:30:42 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Too-Boku wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Oh you mean the massive and sustained drop in violent crime we've seen over the last couple of decades?


Yo dawg I heard you like statistics.

UK http://i.imgur.com/F333R.jpg

US http://i.imgur.com/ZnPb5.jpg

Three times as high as it used to be. Unfortunately there is no reliable world-wide stat. Just keep telling yourself everything is alright.


Not to call you dumb or anything but you should probably re-read the thing you quoted then look at your graphs again then go "OH GOD I'M DUMB".
Maybe she was reading them upside down. Straight
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Yatama Kautsuo
Tencus
#73 - 2012-09-17 22:11:07 UTC
Quoted from the comments on the site linked in OP:

AnonymousSeptember 17, 2012 9:28 AM

Shame those same people didn't show love and respect to the other side when one of their pilots died.

I think the banner said "1 less in fleet"
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AnonymousSeptember 17, 2012 12:47 PM

Way to miss the point, mate...
AnonymousSeptember 17, 2012 4:24 PM

Explain?
ZethSeptember 17, 2012 4:52 PM

Sadly I believe this to be true. If the death was of Maka from -A- or Vince from NCDOT then I would be suprised if local was not filled with "Where is Maka/Vince now?!?!" spams..... That is just the way the community they have built works, at least in my eyes. Even after seeing NCDOT pay tribute to Vile the Goons only protect their own.


if this is really true i have only one word:

hypocrites...
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#74 - 2012-09-17 22:17:39 UTC
Well known fact....

People in anomymous settings act as they would like to act in real life, but are unable too due to pesky laws and such.
It's no different than drinking. You lose your inhibitions and say and do things that you always wanted too, things you would probably not even consider doing while sober....Cool



Signature removed - CCP Eterne
Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#75 - 2012-09-17 22:18:53 UTC
Gillia Winddancer wrote:


There is no such thing as a complete different personality, with the exception if you happen to suffer from DID.



and nobody suffers from DID.. most of the professional psychological community these days considers DID a hoax.

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#76 - 2012-09-17 23:44:24 UTC  |  Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2
I am of the opinion that if you enjoy causing grief and overall ill intent to human beings, even if using tools that add degrees of separation, your enjoyment is real, not imaginary or pretend. And since your projected grief is also intended for persons your act of grief is very real. You are not a 'pretend' griefer. You are a griefer.

Notice how my interpretation doesn't mean that if you PVP you are a griefer in real life. However, if you use game mechanics (such as PVP) as a tool to cause grief (real grief and ill intent), then you are a griefer. It all boils down to what your intentions are.

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2012-09-17 23:46:22 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
I am of the opinion that if you enjoy causing grief and overall ill intent to human beings, even if using tools that add degrees of separation, your enjoyment is real, not imaginary or pretend.

Notice how my interpretation doesn't mean that if you PVP you are a griefer in real life. However, if you use game mechanics (such as PVP) as a tool to cause grief (real grief and ill intent), then you are a griefer. It all boils down to what your intentions are.

And?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Smiknight
Smiknight Corporation
#78 - 2012-09-17 23:53:52 UTC
While I agree that it is a gross generalization, there is more truth to it than most are willing to admit.

I consider Eve Online to be an intoxicant, in that like alcohol, it causes the obnoxious to be become more so, but it also causes the repressed to blossom, if you will. I am sure that many who play are huge walking dongs, because nobody has corrected them from being so, but so many more act out in Eve because they dare not do it in real life. To be frank, I would wager a bent penny that the biggest assmuppets in game are the ones who live with the greatest amount of repression and fear out of game. Eve is their drug, ad like most drugs, it removes their inhibitions and thus like any great amount of water behind a dam, when you remove the dam, the villagers below die suddenly and violently.

I'd go even further and wager the posting of this thread is the result of some level of guilt for a horrible action, of which the generalization that is the title was a product.

Someone got butthurt, in other words.
A reward devoid of risk is no reward at all, but is instead a handout.
ian papabear
No Regard.
#79 - 2012-09-18 00:02:45 UTC  |  Edited by: ian papabear
I have to agreen that your ingame personality is a mild or an exact representation of the person you are in real life. But in the end you cant dictate a persons action nor can you judge them. If they want to act like a moron and ruin the player expereicne for others why disrespecting, insulting, and griefing then so be it. I personally stay away from the above because firstly I wasnt raised to act like that in real life, my mother didnt instill me with values on how to ruin a persons mood. in addition to that i plan on becoming a police officer and simply put im not going to be a hypocrit and exhibit that behavior and at the same time try to do something that only people who have integrity, compassion, bravery deserve. im not above anyone, but i am above certain actions and trolling is just something that i will not and can not do.

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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#80 - 2012-09-18 00:06:32 UTC  |  Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Lord Zim wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
I am of the opinion that if you enjoy causing grief and overall ill intent to human beings, even if using tools that add degrees of separation, your enjoyment is real, not imaginary or pretend.

Notice how my interpretation doesn't mean that if you PVP you are a griefer in real life. However, if you use game mechanics (such as PVP) as a tool to cause grief (real grief and ill intent), then you are a griefer. It all boils down to what your intentions are.

And?

And saying "it's only a game" and "I'm actually a saint that recovers lost wallets in real life" are excuses to mask real ill social behaviors.

By the way, is this Tippia? Just wondering :).

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.