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How many people would still play if PLEX was removed from the game
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highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#101 - 2012-09-17 16:17:52 UTC
I would still be here. I rarely use plex. I have 2 accounts that I pay for month-to-month on my CC. Have been doing this for years.

I don't care to pay several months in advance, I dont care to use in game ISK to pay for PLEX for game time. The only time I generally purchase PLEX is if I HAVE to get something big that I dont have the ISK for and can not wait to get it. Then, I will buy just 1 or 2 PLEX and sell them in Jita from my highsec alt.


People who rely on purchasing and selling plex as their means of ISK income suck at EVE and probably don't enjoy it very much. I see no problems with people who are really good at making ISK in game to PLEX their accounts, I just don't do it. I'm not that dedicated to ratting. I know guys that use a tengu with carrier support (fighter drones) that rat for hours on end and make several billion a week. Just no my cup-o-tea.

FC, what do?
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#102 - 2012-09-17 16:41:35 UTC
Sugar Kyle wrote:
I pay my accounts by the year.

Same here.

Also, yet another peron who doesn't know how plex works.
CCP is paid when you buy the plex, not when it's used.


SealteamXI
Z-Co.
#103 - 2012-09-17 16:52:02 UTC
Isn't PLEX actually cheaper than sub when you buy GTC and convert them?
Barakach
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#104 - 2012-09-17 17:15:06 UTC
Plex only worse as a vessel to allow people to swap in-game time for out-of-game time.

I've been making about 250m isk/day for the past few months. I could afford about 15 plex/month on that average. There is no way I could afford $300 in plex/month.

In the end, the system balances itself. Plex is a zero-sum game. All it really does is shuffle ISK around.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#105 - 2012-09-17 17:19:12 UTC
Ashera Yune wrote:
Let say that CCP decided that PLEX was a hassle for them to deal with since owing unused game time made the vulture investors unhappy.

Let say all PLEX was wiped out and the owners would be given game time in replace.

In order to play again, you will like everyone else pay a subscription fee, just like WOW.

Would you still be playing? Would you have as many accounts as you currently have?



IIRC, approximately 1/3 of EVE acccounts use PLEX for gametime.

I'm gonna go ahead and say that the Vulture Capitalists think PLEX are a bloody marvellous idea.

As do I.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#106 - 2012-09-17 17:19:38 UTC
SealteamXI wrote:
Isn't PLEX actually cheaper than sub when you buy GTC and convert them?


No, they're more expensive.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Nub Sauce
State War Academy
Caldari State
#107 - 2012-09-17 17:53:34 UTC
I'd still be playing and it wouldn't bother me at all. I'm against RMT, actually.

I make enough money in about an hour to sub all of my accounts for a month. There's no way I'd grind for isk to pay for plex.
Josef Djugashvilis
#108 - 2012-09-17 18:06:28 UTC
None of us actually know how many would continue to play.

Sometimes, the obvious just needs to said.

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Natasha Taggart
Templar Directorate Holdings
United Interests
#109 - 2012-09-17 18:10:21 UTC
Shocked if this game is soooooooo expensive youll emoragequit over paying for it, then get on sucker, leave the universe to me!!! Leave me your stuff please, I need more "stuff"!
If you could eat one single crayon from the big box of 64, what color would it be... and why would you pick that one?
Plaude Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#110 - 2012-09-17 18:13:54 UTC
I would certainly stay. I've never had a single PLEX run through my inventory, mostly because I have better things to waste my ISK on.

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Hauling Hal
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#111 - 2012-09-17 18:46:03 UTC
If you understood the purpose of PLEX, you wouldn't have asked such a stupid question. PLEX is an extremely clever idea by CCP.
Cat Troll
Incorruptibles
#112 - 2012-09-17 18:55:19 UTC
PLEX balances itself out and other people already explained it.
But my personal experience with it is this:
I tried this game for the first time, but had too much on my hands in real life to use up the 14 trial days.
I tried again, but RL blocked me again.
The third time, I asked a friend that I know he playes EVE to give me a 21 day trial.
This time I had no problem and I liked this game, so I subscribed to it.
The first thing I noticed is this: My friend is way the hell ahead of me in terms of ISK, he was flying a Drake while I could barely affored a frigate.
But I wanted to be more helpful in PvE, so I started skilling for using Destroyers.
Soon enough, I flown the Destroyers and loved it.
But I wanted MOAR, I wanted cruisers.
I tried to start skilling for them and oh, ISK is needed for skillbooks.
I didn't want to grind for it, so I just bought a PLEX, bought the books and trained, and bought me a cruiser.
And just like that, I got me some firepower that otherwise I would need to grind for.
And now I could do Level 4's with my friend without having the fear of "oh, new ships came in that aren't agroed on the Drake" and then die because they sneezed on my frigate.

TL;DR
PLEX is a good way to catch up with your friends.

Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off."
Josef Djugashvilis
#113 - 2012-09-17 19:08:06 UTC
Cat Troll wrote:
PLEX balances itself out and other people already explained it.
But my personal experience with it is this:
I tried this game for the first time, but had too much on my hands in real life to use up the 14 trial days.
I tried again, but RL blocked me again.
The third time, I asked a friend that I know he playes EVE to give me a 21 day trial.
This time I had no problem and I liked this game, so I subscribed to it.
The first thing I noticed is this: My friend is way the hell ahead of me in terms of ISK, he was flying a Drake while I could barely affored a frigate.
But I wanted to be more helpful in PvE, so I started skilling for using Destroyers.
Soon enough, I flown the Destroyers and loved it.
But I wanted MOAR, I wanted cruisers.
I tried to start skilling for them and oh, ISK is needed for skillbooks.
I didn't want to grind for it, so I just bought a PLEX, bought the books and trained, and bought me a cruiser.
And just like that, I got me some firepower that otherwise I would need to grind for.
And now I could do Level 4's with my friend without having the fear of "oh, new ships came in that aren't agroed on the Drake" and then die because they sneezed on my frigate.

TL;DR
PLEX is a good way to catch up with your friends.


Although I have no really strong views on PLEX, the above statement seems to me to be the downside of PLEX.

why play Eve when you can just buy Eve?

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Cat Troll
Incorruptibles
#114 - 2012-09-17 19:13:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Cat Troll
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Cat Troll wrote:
PLEX balances itself out and other people already explained it.
But my personal experience with it is this:
I tried this game for the first time, but had too much on my hands in real life to use up the 14 trial days.
I tried again, but RL blocked me again.
The third time, I asked a friend that I know he playes EVE to give me a 21 day trial.
This time I had no problem and I liked this game, so I subscribed to it.
The first thing I noticed is this: My friend is way the hell ahead of me in terms of ISK, he was flying a Drake while I could barely affored a frigate.
But I wanted to be more helpful in PvE, so I started skilling for using Destroyers.
Soon enough, I flown the Destroyers and loved it.
But I wanted MOAR, I wanted cruisers.
I tried to start skilling for them and oh, ISK is needed for skillbooks.
I didn't want to grind for it, so I just bought a PLEX, bought the books and trained, and bought me a cruiser.
And just like that, I got me some firepower that otherwise I would need to grind for.
And now I could do Level 4's with my friend without having the fear of "oh, new ships came in that aren't agroed on the Drake" and then die because they sneezed on my frigate.

TL;DR
PLEX is a good way to catch up with your friends.


Although I have no really strong views on PLEX, the above statement seems to me to be the downside of PLEX.

why play Eve when you can just buy Eve?

You seem to not understand my point.

A. it helps newbie players to keep up with the veterans

B. it helps people with not enough time on their hands

It can be taken either way, but as long as the ISK isn't poping out of nowhere but someone is actually paying for it, its ok IMHO.
I'm now enjoying much more the game, much sooner than if I had to grind for the money.

I had my doubts about PLEX when I first heared of it, but after looking around and thinking a bit, I think its a good system.

Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off."
Josef Djugashvilis
#115 - 2012-09-17 19:38:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Josef Djugashvilis
I respect and understand you point of view.

But for me, buying PLEX to avoid what you call 'grinding' I call 'buying' Eve rather than playing/grinding Eve to get enough isk to buy ships etc.

Yes, I do see the need for PLEX.

It is great (apart from the financial benefits to CCP) for those players who may have limited play time and only want to pvp etc.

Still, each to their own I suppose.

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Cat Troll
Incorruptibles
#116 - 2012-09-17 19:41:34 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
I respect and understand you point of view.

But for me, buying PLEX to avoid what you call 'grinding' I call 'buying' Eve rather than playing/grinding Eve to get enough isk to buy ships etc.

Yes, I do see the need for PLEX.

It is great (apart from the financial benefits to CCP) for those players who may have limited play time and only want tp pvp etc.

Still, each to their own I suppose.

And that's how arguing on the internet should be done.
At this point one of us would be trolling and name calling to try and convince the other side that their opinion is true.

Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off."
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#117 - 2012-09-17 19:45:38 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Webvan wrote:
The loan is on DUST, PLEX or less accounts in EVE would not effect that. Been a long time since server upgrades, shouldn't still be in the red there. This is all preposterous, really. Sky falling?

Yes, having less cash inflow when you have to pay interest is just fine as long as the interest is for the other thing...

It was for the launch of DUST. I don't think they even really needed the loan. It used to be that many loans were backed with full collateral or full coverage for the loan in the bank, as opposed to what led to the housing crash in the US. This is good for building a better credit rating for the future, making CCP a better risk for future investors. When they start to focus in on WoD, fully funded, it'll be at less risk to the survival of the company.

But this whole thread is just another take on "EVE is dieing™" heh

I'm in it for the money

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Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#118 - 2012-09-17 21:06:15 UTC
Evil Incarn8 wrote:
I would rejoice.

PLEX is a blight that brought many detrimental changes to EvE, its removal would be the first step to returning EvE to its former glory.




this, but it will never happen. ccp makes too much money off its' in house pay to win scheme.

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Peter Tjordenskiold
#119 - 2012-09-17 21:40:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Peter Tjordenskiold
Buying plex is a sort of pay to win. Some pilots never learned to make ISK ingame. I don't care whether they make ISK with grinding, scamming, trading or mining. Making ISK should be an essential part of the game
Arbiter Reformed
I Have a Plan
Shadow Cartel
#120 - 2012-09-17 22:42:34 UTC
had a mate who plexed 17 accounts a year lulz