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Magnet Trade
Magnet Construction Ltd
#1 - 2012-09-16 20:37:09 UTC
I am making a TITLE for a prospective new member so that he can use my POS for research and invention.
Onlining a couple extra labs and a build it thingy for invention. However After testing a few jobs (remotely ofc) I have discovered that I also need to add to this research:

"CONFIG STARBASE EQUIPMENT

This Role allows the holder to perform Starbase configuration, which involves fuelling, anchoring, unanchoring, onlining and offlining POS structures".

I am just curious why on earth (or space) that this role would need to be added to his title as it appears to me that it is non-relevant to what he actually needs. but with said role, he will not be able to take and copies that he creates from the pos labs.


Is there a way around this, because it seems to me that that I risk a new member tearing down my entire POS while I sleep.

Any informative help would be appreciated.

ps. No I am giving out roles the members, I am attaching them to a title so that I can use that same title over again. just wanted to make that clear. :)
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#2 - 2012-09-16 20:41:59 UTC
Nope. Corp rights management is an absolute irredeemable pile of crap, particularly when it comes to POSes. This is one of the main reasons my corp is not really bothering with them.

I'm sure someone else can give you some advice on how to at least moderately secure your POSes while letting your members use them for research. The only one I'm aware of is "make an alt corp and try to live with POS theft/sabotage if it happens".

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#3 - 2012-09-16 20:47:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
You DON'T need Config Starbase to do research. Keep the labs online.

A Guide to POS Labs
Doddy
Excidium.
#4 - 2012-09-16 20:48:55 UTC
To be brutally honest we are getting to the point where corp management is the single biggest issue ccp needs to look at (a sthey are fixing the various ship related issues at a goo drate). The whole thing needs completely redone from the ground up.
Magnet Trade
Magnet Construction Ltd
#5 - 2012-09-16 21:00:03 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
You DON'T need Config Starbase to do research. Keep the labs online.

A Guide to POS Labs



It is also for invention, and for invention he needs to be able to take from the pos labs/hangers.
Djana Libra
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-09-16 21:09:44 UTC
Magnet Trade wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
You DON'T need Config Starbase to do research. Keep the labs online.

A Guide to POS Labs



It is also for invention, and for invention he needs to be able to take from the pos labs/hangers.


pick 1 hangar for it give him rights to that one
Magnet Trade
Magnet Construction Ltd
#7 - 2012-09-16 21:12:31 UTC
Djana Libra wrote:
Magnet Trade wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
You DON'T need Config Starbase to do research. Keep the labs online.

A Guide to POS Labs



It is also for invention, and for invention he needs to be able to take from the pos labs/hangers.


pick 1 hangar for it give him rights to that one



Tried that, does not work for the pos, the hanger access roles are not related to the POS unfortunately. :(
Djana Libra
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-09-16 21:13:53 UTC
Magnet Trade wrote:
Djana Libra wrote:
Magnet Trade wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
You DON'T need Config Starbase to do research. Keep the labs online.

A Guide to POS Labs



It is also for invention, and for invention he needs to be able to take from the pos labs/hangers.


pick 1 hangar for it give him rights to that one



Tried that, does not work for the pos, the hanger access roles are not related to the POS unfortunately. :(


Yes they are, be sure to use hangar acces (OTHER) and it will work for labs, hangar arrays, building arrays
Magnet Trade
Magnet Construction Ltd
#9 - 2012-09-16 21:16:53 UTC
Djana Libra wrote:
Magnet Trade wrote:
Djana Libra wrote:
Magnet Trade wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
You DON'T need Config Starbase to do research. Keep the labs online.

A Guide to POS Labs



It is also for invention, and for invention he needs to be able to take from the pos labs/hangers.


pick 1 hangar for it give him rights to that one



Tried that, does not work for the pos, the hanger access roles are not related to the POS unfortunately. :(


Yes they are, be sure to use hangar acces (OTHER) and it will work for labs, hangar arrays, building arrays



I am sure you are wrong as that did not work, was the first thing I tried. he must have "CONFIG STARBASE EQUIPMENT" for it to work. he had three hangers with full view and take on (OTHER) and on testing could not take from the pos hangers
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#10 - 2012-09-16 21:19:47 UTC
Corp roles when it comes to POSs are absolutely terrible.. However in your case he shouldn't need starbase config.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
Magnet Trade
Magnet Construction Ltd
#11 - 2012-09-16 21:23:59 UTC
When I remove it, my test alt cannot take from the pos hangers, I have even tried giving him access to every hanger division at HQ, Based AT and OTHER to no avail. however once I give him CONFIG STARBASE EQUIPMENT he can now take from the hangers,


Obviously bugged somehow as I totally agree he should not need access to take down the entire POS to be able to retrieve copies from a lab hanger
Magnet Trade
Magnet Construction Ltd
#12 - 2012-09-16 21:25:27 UTC
Infact, when trying to take said copies it flashes on the screen that you cannot take without "CONFIG STARBASE EQUIPMENT".

So what gives with that?
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#13 - 2012-09-16 21:28:36 UTC
Check roles on the actual tower itself, you might have it set differently on the POS itself. I don't have a POS up to check and it's been awhile but I remember there was setting within the POS itself that maybe hindering you.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
Magnet Trade
Magnet Construction Ltd
#14 - 2012-09-16 21:30:26 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Check roles on the actual tower itself, you might have it set differently on the POS itself. I don't have a POS up to check and it's been awhile but I remember there was setting within the POS itself that maybe hindering you.



Thanks very much, I never thought of that and will look now and get back if that works.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#15 - 2012-09-16 21:35:20 UTC
…also, aren't there settings in the S&I interface that you can fiddle with to alter access to the arrays? Not that I know that they do anything since they include the obviously non-working “public” setting that does not make slots public, but hey… Lol

Yeah, welcome to the wonderful mess of POSes.
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#16 - 2012-09-16 22:04:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Mars Theran
Tau Cabalander wrote:
You DON'T need Config Starbase to do research. Keep the labs online.

A Guide to POS Labs


what he said.

The role isn't needed. The only people who need it are directors and they already have it. Anybody else who needs it might as well be a director.

On the other hand, you can set up a title with roles that approaches a Director and has that. You still have to trust them with your POS though, if not your entire Corp Wallet.. That is the only reason you'd have a sub-director with that role; if you didn't trust them with your Corp Wallet.

But then, why would you trust them with your POS? You can always just control the Corp cash with your own wallet anyway.
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Magnet Trade
Magnet Construction Ltd
#17 - 2012-09-16 22:18:37 UTC
Mars Theran wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
You DON'T need Config Starbase to do research. Keep the labs online.

A Guide to POS Labs


what he said.

The role isn't needed. The only people who need it are directors and they already have it. Anybody else who needs it might as well be a director.

On the other hand, you can set up a title with roles that approaches a Director and has that. You still have to trust them with your POS though, if not your entire Corp Wallet.. That is the only reason you'd have a sub-director with that role; if you didn't trust them with your Corp Wallet.

But then, why would you trust them with your POS? You can always just control the Corp cash with your own wallet anyway.



I think you should have read a little more of the thread, everything you said has already been covered. thanks though
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#18 - 2012-09-16 22:58:42 UTC
Config starbase is one of the most dangerous roles to give out. Be very sure not to give it to someone you don't completely trust, or you can expect to wake up and find your POS gone..... Shocked

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  
lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#19 - 2012-09-16 23:05:48 UTC
I'll be happy to come test out your pos roles if you like

Spaceprincess

People who put passwords on char bazaar Eveboards are the worst.
Pipa Porto
#20 - 2012-09-17 01:44:03 UTC
Tippia wrote:
…also, aren't there settings in the S&I interface that you can fiddle with to alter access to the arrays? Not that I know that they do anything since they include the obviously non-working “public” setting that does not make slots public, but hey… Lol

Yeah, welcome to the wonderful mess of POSes.


This. On one of the POS management tabs at the stick, you can change the role required to have use, access, and [either offline or unanchor, I forget] each module hanging on the POS.

Your choices are Alliance, Corp, Starbase Fuel Tech, and Config Starbase equipment.

You do not need to give anyone CSE simply to allow them access to a module.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
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