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Missions, PvE, and CSM 8. Do you guys even care?
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Reticle
Sight Picture
#61 - 2012-09-08 15:41:49 UTC
Anslo wrote:
If not well, I guess the others are right, and you all get what you deserve sadly; being walked on by the "l33t" crowd.

What we deserve? If a man kills your wife and you don't stop him, did she deserve it? Did you? If she deserved it, was a crime committed? Or was the murderer performing a public service of some sort?

What's interesting is that you didn't say "we all get what we deserve." You're either a troll or an idiot. If you're so ******* tough and ready to rumble, why aren't you running for CSM 8? Put up or shut up. Preferably the latter.
Hiyora Akachi
Blood Alcohol Content
T O P S H E L F
#62 - 2012-09-08 17:11:21 UTC
Let the nullbabies ***** and moan about how terrible it is that we don't play the game their way. At the end of the day, CCP is a business and they're not going to do something stupid (again) that will cost them subs.
barbara1234
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#63 - 2012-09-09 13:40:16 UTC
Versuvius Marii wrote:
The biggest problem with high sec is they have no real interest in developing beyond there, so why would they even think to look on a forum for information, or a 3rd party website? As a result it becomes very easy to withdraw into your own private corner of highsec and stay there until someone bugs you.
You simply don't have that problem with other parts of space, where knowledge is power. Also bear in mind the powerful lesson learned with the riots of last year; people power rules. Alas, all this was to the average high sec bear was a headache thanks to increased lag and no real clue as to what was going on.

Solution: educate high sec in that there's actually a community out there and that they needn't be so insular in playing the game in their small private communities. Tell them that united, their voice has a power but it has to be used BEFORE **** happens - all too often we've seen the threads after a major patch where the bears come and cry... here's a hint to all you guys: cry about the changes in the threads CCP make asking for feedback! Get onto the test server and try these updates! Oh wait, you're too busy filling your Orcas with ore and more concerned with making isk in the now, and not thinking about the tomorrow...

Signed, a concerned high sec resident.


Wow your head is firmly up your ass, why should anyone NEED to log on to these forums or whatever just to enjoy and play a game, I don't have to do this for world of tanks, or diablo my son doesn't do this for counter strike etc......

Given the low voter turnouts for real government elections are you actually surprised people honestly don't care about who runs internet spaceships?
Versuvius Marii
Browncoats of Persephone
Ironworks Coalition
#64 - 2012-09-09 20:40:03 UTC
barbara1234 wrote:
Versuvius Marii wrote:
The biggest problem with high sec is they have no real interest in developing beyond there, so why would they even think to look on a forum for information, or a 3rd party website? As a result it becomes very easy to withdraw into your own private corner of highsec and stay there until someone bugs you.
You simply don't have that problem with other parts of space, where knowledge is power. Also bear in mind the powerful lesson learned with the riots of last year; people power rules. Alas, all this was to the average high sec bear was a headache thanks to increased lag and no real clue as to what was going on.

Solution: educate high sec in that there's actually a community out there and that they needn't be so insular in playing the game in their small private communities. Tell them that united, their voice has a power but it has to be used BEFORE **** happens - all too often we've seen the threads after a major patch where the bears come and cry... here's a hint to all you guys: cry about the changes in the threads CCP make asking for feedback! Get onto the test server and try these updates! Oh wait, you're too busy filling your Orcas with ore and more concerned with making isk in the now, and not thinking about the tomorrow...

Signed, a concerned high sec resident.


Wow your head is firmly up your ass, why should anyone NEED to log on to these forums or whatever just to enjoy and play a game, I don't have to do this for world of tanks, or diablo my son doesn't do this for counter strike etc......

Given the low voter turnouts for real government elections are you actually surprised people honestly don't care about who runs internet spaceships?

And your eyes are broken, learn to read. I said educate the masses, by encouraging them to read the forums. I don't give a crap what you do and don't get up to, and the fact you're here kinda makes you a little bit of a hypocrite. So feel free to ignore what I'm trying to get at, and instead run your little personal campaign for ignorance.

The Gaming MoD - retro to modern, console to MMO, I blog about it if it's a game and I'm interested in it. Yes, I play games other than Eve and I don't care if you think I'm wrong.
poppeteer
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#65 - 2012-09-10 06:09:01 UTC
What's the point when clear-as-day-clusterfucks like, for example, Uni. Inv. get through the CSM (csm everadio interview: 'it's great!') , multiple rounds of testing (with detailed, qualily feedback) - completely unchanged?
While the above could be considered a troll it's a serious question.
Celgar Thurn
Department 10
#66 - 2012-09-10 14:10:51 UTC
Anslo wrote:
As mission runners, do you actively vote for CSM's when candidates campaign? Do you tell your non-forum counterparts to vote? Do you even care? I'm curious to know because, as CSM 8 is coming up, I see people screaming death to high sec and miners and just about no one on the other side shouting back.

Like...no one. No one to defend PvE, missioning, high sec life, high sec mining, etc. All I see are people like James315 and Tippia touting either risk v rewards rants or simple hate mongering against people like miners.

So, do you lot care much at all and try to get others involved?

If not well, I guess the others are right, and you all get what you deserve sadly; being walked on by the "l33t" crowd.


Erm Are you trolling? I am largely a high sec resident and do vote at the CSM elections. Actually I think there are at least a couple of people on the current CSM who have the interests of high sec residents in mind. We have voted not that long ago so the elections can't be that near can they? There is indeed quite a bit of grumbling about the price of high sec minerals but to my mind they are at the correct prices atm to make the the mining profession a viable choice.

I don't foresee a particular threat to missioning or anything else in high sec atm to be honest. CCP are not going to get rid of it as they know when their bread is buttered.

Apathy rules generally in RL as in New Eden and you will have a hard job changing that fact. In the UK for example the government is usually voted in by an actual figure of about 20% percent of the voting population. The same usually happens in union strike ballots in the UK as well. Don't know what the figures were in New Eden but I think they were better than the previous year for New Eden and probably better than UK RL elections. So it's not all bad. Blink
Anslo
Scope Works
#67 - 2012-09-14 17:09:36 UTC
Reticle wrote:
Anslo wrote:
If not well, I guess the others are right, and you all get what you deserve sadly; being walked on by the "l33t" crowd.

What we deserve? If a man kills your wife and you don't stop him, did she deserve it? Did you? If she deserved it, was a crime committed? Or was the murderer performing a public service of some sort?

What's interesting is that you didn't say "we all get what we deserve." You're either a troll or an idiot. If you're so ******* tough and ready to rumble, why aren't you running for CSM 8? Put up or shut up. Preferably the latter.


Comparing a game to an RL event, so edgy.

And you're right, I didn't say we, as I don't exclusively carebear. I'm a proponent of it because you lot should be free to play your way without screaming idiots in the background trying to force you into nul. But clearly this concept is above your level of understanding.

As to why I won't run, I'm not well known in Eve, nor do I have the time to effectively be a member of the CSM and handle my day job and Freelance job. I was simply asking a question. And as for put up or shut up, I could say the very same for you. I was asking for opinions. Stop being such a sensitive little ****.

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Reticle
Sight Picture
#68 - 2012-09-15 04:04:16 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Comparing a game to an RL event, so edgy.

I'm sorry that you don't understand argument by analogy. My point was that victims don't "deserve" the indiginities heaped upon them. It's an incredibly weak line of argument that deserved a comment all its own. My comment was a criticism of your powers of reason and rhetoric, not a complaint, and your inability to recognize the difference is telling.

Anslo wrote:
And you're right, I didn't say we, as I don't exclusively carebear. I'm a proponent of it because you lot should be free to play your way without screaming idiots in the background trying to force you into nul. But clearly this concept is above your level of understanding.

As to why I won't run, I'm not well known in Eve, nor do I have the time to effectively be a member of the CSM and handle my day job and Freelance job. I was simply asking a question. And as for put up or shut up, I could say the very same for you. I was asking for opinions. Stop being such a sensitive little ****.


One needn't perform one role exclusively to be part of the group. You bear. Show some pride and come out of the closet. Proponents make themselves well known. It's the nature of making public arguments. None of the current CSM started out well known. In fact, Hans Jagerblitzen is an incredibly good example of an obscure, unknown player who rose to prominence from nowhere by taking a definitive position and building support for it.

I don't need to put up or shut up; I'm not the one accusing an entire subgroup of players of cowardice and incompetence. I don't agree with your underlying assumptions, nor do I think that the CSM could provide the necessary guidance. Game design should not be political and the reality is that at best the CSM serves to prioritize the improvements for which their opinions are solicited. They're a glorified focus group.

You didn't ask a question or make an argument; you delivered a diatribe.You don't have the time, energy, or ability to serve. Why would anyone else be different?

Clearly, you're the sensitive little *****. Can't take criticism? Don't post.
McRuder
The Pit Crew
#69 - 2012-09-15 06:57:01 UTC
<<-- Hi Sec Carebear.

Do I care what happens or don't in Eve? No not really. I do care about the fuel price. I care about my utility bill. I care about the effect some riots in some obscure African country has on platinum.

I don't care who thinks they are important in Eve, in fact I don't care about the CSM. Let me put this into context for you. I have a girlfriend, I have kids, I have a fulltime day job, and I race motorcycles on weekends. I care what my GF and my kids have to say, not what some dude who think he is important have to say about a game that I play for an average of 90 minutes a day. The rules of upcoming weekend's race gets more attention from me, than these forums (Really, do go check my posting history).

The second thing I need to put into context. Eve is one of several games I have on my PC. So when I have some me time, I make a decision of what I am going to do with it. To be very honest most times parking on the couch with a beer and watching an episode of a series that everyone is talking about wins out. Otherwise it is a toss up between Mass Effect, X3AP, Crysis, or whatever.

So what is my problem with low sec? There is nothing there for me. The effort of evading gankers and looking over my shoulder all the time is not worth the rewards. I don't want to lose my pimp ship because the GF or kids distracted me. It costs ISK to replace, and ISK takes playtime to make. It will take too many 90 minute sessions to make it back. I want to get into my shiny pimp ship and do something fun, not grind isk.

Null sec / WH space? I don't want to login and spin my ship until something happens. I don't care about K:D ratios. I think it is sad that Eve is so important to so many people, and that they need to determine their self worth by their amounts of Killmails. I actually did spend 4 years living in null, and a year in WH. As family / RL commitments grew, my playtime shrank. I did not fit in anymore.

I think the 10 minutes spent writing this is wasted anyway. Too much serious spaceship business, they won't get it.

Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#70 - 2012-09-16 00:32:04 UTC
Anslo wrote:
As mission runners, do you actively vote for CSM's when candidates campaign? Do you tell your non-forum counterparts to vote? Do you even care? I'm curious to know because, as CSM 8 is coming up, I see people screaming death to high sec and miners and just about no one on the other side shouting back.

Like...no one. No one to defend PvE, missioning, high sec life, high sec mining, etc. All I see are people like James315 and Tippia touting either risk v rewards rants or simple hate mongering against people like miners.

So, do you lot care much at all and try to get others involved?

If not well, I guess the others are right, and you all get what you deserve sadly; being walked on by the "l33t" crowd.



They don't need to.

CCp know's it's just a vocal, and wrong, minority merely saying "your playing in the sandbox wrong, play it my way"

Highsec residents didnt put

  • Asteroid Belts
  • Ice Belts
  • NPC Corporation Agents
  • NPC Industry Slots

in hisec, CCP did.
Airto TLA
Acorn's Wonder Bars
#71 - 2012-09-16 17:54:30 UTC
Honestly the Null seccers are probaly focusing their anger at the wrong group, there is a handful of hi sec exploiters who are easily active enough to be a low sec or null sec guy but htey hide in hi sec anyway. To chase this guy out CCP would have to screw over hundreds of casual hi secers for every problem child chased out.

This may be the real problem with the Incursion farming the guys casing the isk firehose were basically 40+ hour a week multi box gamers. They were not casuals, Incursions were actually annoying and dificault for casuals.You needed to memorize patterns be quick, have compentant Logi friends, etc or you could lose your ship. You also had a potentially considreble wait to for a fleet, not really optimal if you have play time in one hour blocks. Big runners did the runs many times so they were near automatic.


The blind spot the "kill hi sec" crowd has is there are people who have no interest in playing much more per day/week and no interest in playing more intently (many types of PVP). These people are the majority of subscribers, chase them off and the game dies.
DSin3
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#72 - 2012-09-16 19:45:00 UTC
While I don't make my isk in HS or spend too much time in it, I think having a HS CSM is a good idea. One day the highbears will wake up and see all the lvl4's and ice belts moved out to lower sec regions and then it will be far too late to have a voice to change it. Why do you think nullbears thrive??? well cause they ask and sometimes they receive, or at least have some input in the change...
my 1 isk anyway..
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2012-09-16 19:57:01 UTC
"Kill hisec"? "nullsec anger"? Right.

Also, pray tell, how do "nullbears" "thrive"?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Milton Middleson
Rifterlings
#74 - 2012-09-16 20:06:53 UTC
Reticle wrote:
Anslo wrote:
If not well, I guess the others are right, and you all get what you deserve sadly; being walked on by the "l33t" crowd.

What we deserve? If a man kills your wife and you don't stop him, did she deserve it? Did you? If she deserved it, was a crime committed? Or was the murderer performing a public service of some sort?


Someone who fails to vote or otherwise be politically active isn't a victim. A man who starves to death because he can't be bothered to do anything to procure food is getting exactly what he deserves.