EVE New Citizens Q&A

Just a few things, when you encounter a bug like that file a petition. Everything you need to run the tutorials for is given to you. If it isn't file a petition under F12 > Petition > Gameplay > missions in progress and a GM will be happy to help you out. EVE is very different and it is hard to get the grasp of in the beginning just stick to it and ask for help! If you are in the Rookie Help Channel or Help Channel and see another ISD member online don't hesitate to poke them with questions it's what we do :)



2nd part I would like to remind EVERYONE or rule 16 of the forums and I quote



That being said I have removed some posts to clean this thread up.

You do realise that this is where those horribad "all-in-one" mining/salvaging/exploration/multi-size guns/dual tank battleships come from, don't you?

With all due respect, that is not true.

I believe Usdom is referring to Mission 3 of the business tutorial 'Balancing the Books', which requires the player to mine some veldspar but does not provide a mining laser. A mining laser is not given until it arrives as a reward for Mission 6 (iirc). Unless the player has already done the industry tutorial he has nothing with which to mine the ore.

As I said, during the 9 months I have been playing EVE that situation has been repeatedly drawn to CCP's attention but nothing whatsoever has been done about it.

You seem to understand little about game balance. As things are, to give you all the useful tools you feel that you need they would instantly over power every single ship by adding more high slots.

What battleship is made to go out and also salvage destroyed ship wrecks?

What exploration ship is made to go out and take down massive fleets of pirates like a badass?

What small fast fighter is made to haul a ton of reprocessed parts back to the station for later.

Eve is about spaceships and spaceships are about specialization. If you want a terrible ship that does everything in a pathetic ineffective way you can go build that spaceship. Enjoy it. Just please, do not wonder why everyone else is succeeding when you are not.

Edited to add:

Eve is a MMO. That means there are other players playing the game. Even more so then most MMOs, Eve is not a solo experience. You have a place in a fleet. Somewhere under your entitled, sarcastic whining you may be a great person and fun to game with. I'm sure you can find someone who believes this. Eve shines with other people.

This is not BSG, I don't recall any salvaging in BSG (either the original cheesefest or the remake) to develop tech, if any was done it was to repair stuff. Although in the remake I believe Kara Thrace did pilot a cylon raider, however no salvage was involved, possibly a bit of reverse engineering to figure out flight controls.

The Enigma device was obtained & decoded in the first instance by the Polish in the late 30's, the military grade machines were decoded by the British at Bletchley Park and it was British sailors that recovered the military code books & military spec Enigma machine in 1942 from U-559. The hollywood screenplays are works of fiction based on real life events which were altered to appeal to an American audience.

WW2 was won by a coalition of nations including Great Britain (and the commonwealth countries), the US (after Pearl Harbour) and what became the USSR as well as ex-pats from occupied Europe, not just the US.

As for the rest of your fallacious argument regarding how a business works, an average of 25,000 players at any one time would disagree with you, also take into account that Eve is one of the very few MMO's that has steadily increased its playerbase over the last 9 years, in fact it's one of the very few MMOs that have even survived that long, most peak and disappear within 2 years.

CCP are not about to alter a game that works just to satisfy people who wish to put in minimum effort and have everything handed to them on a plate, this is not a theme park MMO this is a sandbox MMO.

The rules prevent me from typing what I really want to so this shall have to do.

TL;DR Eve is hard, deal with it.

Just install Carbonite and away you go

Wow, that's a lot of words to say, "Yes, you're right. The war was won by using the enemy's technology against them."




Tell that to every EQ game ever made.



Hey, you enjoy your grind fest then. I was under the impression this was a game where you could enjoy exploring space and discovering new things while working with other people towards group goals. You're most likely right. This isn't the game for me. If I wanted a second job I would find one that paid me, not one I had to pay to work for.

You should consider through, there is a difference between "Hard" and "Stupid" fighting a man with great sword in full armor using only a shield and a mace is hard. Fighting a man with a flame thrower using your fist is stupid. The way they have designed the busy work in this game crosses the line from hard to stupid. This is a grind-fest and nothing more. If you stopped and looked at the game objectively instead of defending it like a rabid fan from Team Edward you would see they are wasting your time and detracting from your actual enjoyment of the game with all this time consuming pointlessness.

This game is poorly designed because it spends so much time making you do stupid, pointless things you miss out on the actual fun of the gaming experience. You know, fun? You play Eve so you might not remember it. Its that thing that happens when people do things together. The fact you have a series of broken tutorials that would take days worth of playtime just to learn the basics of the game is a DRASTIC sign that these developers need to reconsider their definition of fun.

Eve really is a second job that you pay money to work at. I'm not sure how you can't see that. I mean, you have an employee manual.. That's how much you are working for the producers of Eve. You are paying them to be your boss.



Good luck with that..

What stupid, pointless things does this game make you do?

As for your snark about ISK The Guide: it is a reference manual, not a novel. Yes, the sheer volume of information available can be intimidating. This game is huge and complex, and any player will only master a small portion of the game on their first year.

EVE is not a hack and slash game. It is a sandbox virtual world, where the real enemies and allies are humans not computer-played characters that you interact with using click-through canned dialogues. You do not need to go through the tutorials if you don't want to. Want a voice-over tutorial? Check the “How to survive EVE Online” videos by Seamus, or contact a player ingame and offer them ISK to read the tutorials to you.

This is a world where you get to live the nightmare of Objectivism.

Dear OP,

It seems that this game is just not for you. It's not the tutorial that's keeping you out, it's your attitude. To play EVE, you need to bring patience and the willingness to learn. Both are qualities that obviously escape you.
You are looking for a game that takes your hand and gives you the instant gratification you seem to seek. EVE is not that game, so keep searching, because EVE is not going to change for you. Better luck in the next game, there's plenty of them out there and i am sure you will find "yours".

Now get the **** off my space lawn, hippie.

The best thing they could do about the tutorials is just take them out all together, make a series of videos people would choose to watch or not watch and make the starter ship a fairly quality ship so once they have watched them they could launch into the game and actually have fun instead of nine hours of frustration. There is all that time it takes to download the game they could use to watch the tutorials and then start playing once they have the game.

I watched some of the "Guides" on youtube about things like advanced mining and using sensor probes. Looking at Eve objectively, it's a collection of the world's most boring mini-games. If you put any single mini-game like "Point your laser at an asteroid for 5 minutes." on a stand alone app people would think you are insane.

I guess if you want to play a game which doesn't require you paying attention to it this is the game for you. Personally I was hoping for a more Privateer like game experience. Remember Privateer? You got a ship, you took missions, you explored places, some times you got shot at by pirates or angry alien. It was a good game. Nothing about it was overly boring.

The fact mining takes 5 minutes is bad. The whole probe system is horrible. Launch probes and narrow them down into smaller and smaller cross sections till you find the black hole... Really? You are having trouble finding a BLACK HOLE? Here's a hint, it's the thing that warps gravity and light around creating light shifts in all the stars that you perceive to be behind it. Look out a window, you'll find it. It's the big black empty space with distorted warbly starts around the border. You can't freaking miss it. You'll know you are getting close when your ship starts accelerating for no reason. you are flying anything larger than a single person fighter which is launched from a larger ship and you don't have a system for detecting spacial anomalies, solar drifts or other things that will instantly kill you, your ship is crap.

This pretty much sums up my problem with the game: It is pointlessly complex where it doesn't need to be making it boring and overly simplified in the places where complexity would make it actually fun.

Suggestion: If you want to mine an asteroid scan it and find the richest chunk of metal closest to the surface, give the player a "Cut with a plane" type tool and let them cut off that chunk then draw it into your cargo bay. 2 minutes tops. You can take it back to be refined while you go get another chunk if you are into mindless repetition.

You want to scan space for anomalies? Put the scanner in your ship so your ship is the center point of a radar like sweep. You fly to a point, you sweep, you fly to another point, you sweep, if you get a ping you fly to that point and you sweep again, TADA!! you found something! No probes, no stupid mini-game, no people leaving probes behind and getting pissed which I saw happen on the newbie channel a lot. You have a SPACE SHIP why would you need probes? You can provide the sensors with magnitudes more energy to sweep effectively using your ships engines. Also, *gasp* you might alert an enemy you are near by when you sweep the area and then you might have something exciting happen! You know, risk, fun, adventure, all those things Eve seems to have a huge shortage of.