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Lasers. Names. Changes. Please read before reaching for your weapons.

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Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#301 - 2012-09-13 07:43:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Ciar Meara
Whatever happened to the megawatt or megajoules naming convention? That was choice.

based on real life wattage you could easly make a clear, highly stable and expandable naming convention for this.

Small -- kilowatt -- kW
Medium -- megawatt -- MW
Large -- gigawatt -- GW
XL -- terawatt -- TW
Doomsday -- Petawat -- PW

Within these confines any extra naming nomenclature can be added.

10 kW Pulse laser
10 kW beam laser

20 megawatt quad beam laser, 200 megawat pulse laser I

200 gigawat Pulse laser II, 20 gigawat quad beam laser II

200 terawatt dual beam laser.

ETC.

Since the other firing systems have their own naming convention based on the size of their projectile I think lasers deserve their own clear numbers based system as well. This is best based on their total energy output.

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CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#302 - 2012-09-13 13:07:45 UTC
Harvey James wrote:
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Harvey James wrote:
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
and nobody thinks that Strobe would be a better name for rapid firing lasers ? sheesh...


hahaha don't worry, plenty of time left to beat... I mean convince others of what name is best. As it stands for the winter release I am only renaming two lasers:

Medium Pulse Laser -> Small Focused Pulse Laser
Medium Beam laser -> Small Focused Beam Laser

Along with their named versions as well of course. I am still working to see if I can come up with a naming convention that will work for everything. Until that comes though I will still be working on fixing some smaller issues like these medium lasers that are small or the faction missiles that were being stupid. :)


Perhaps you could rebalance scorch whilst you're there it adds way too much range and lower the pg too?


Balance is something to poke CCP Fozzie about. You can find him in many places on the forum, like the Ideas section, along with on twitter. :)


He seems to ignore me very often he makes me cry Cry

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vonholbski
Grumble Bunnies United
#303 - 2012-09-14 03:21:50 UTC
Naming conventions for lasers (and possibly other mods game wide this could be applied to if most found it workable).
Lots of great ideas. Shortening, adding more length, numerical, abbreviations, gigawatts, graphical add ins.

I'd like to toss out something... that "could" relate to the lore of eve, the storyline, something unique for each meta item.

"10kW Light Pulse laser"

sounds very descriptive. add in the unique'ness: since we are talking lasers which relate to Amarr........

"10kW 'Akura" light pulse laser".

Amash-Akura was the first crowned emperor of Amarr. So, make it meta4.

"10kW 'Barius' light pulse laser"

Commodore Barius ran the 51st Exploration Corps, given the duty to first explore the Impass region by the Amarr Empire. Make it meta3.

and so on.

this would have more 'emotion' behind an item than 'prototype, scout, etc'. Could make it alphabetical in order to denote meta levels. OR, the more important person in EVE history has the higher meta level.

heck... could do the same with caldari missle launchers. but that's another story :)
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#304 - 2012-09-16 19:12:46 UTC
CCP Foxfour perhaps you could get your OCD to get to work on adding all faction drones to the market please Big smile

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#305 - 2012-09-16 19:25:30 UTC
Harvey James wrote:
CCP Foxfour perhaps you could get your OCD to get to work on adding all faction drones to the market please Big smile


ha.... hahaha..... hahahahahahahahaha

It's funny because you don't realize I have already done that of winter. :P

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Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#306 - 2012-09-16 19:30:57 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Harvey James wrote:
CCP Foxfour perhaps you could get your OCD to get to work on adding all faction drones to the market please Big smile


ha.... hahaha..... hahahahahahahahaha

It's funny because you don't realize I have already done that of winter. :P


Arr you sneaky girl :P

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#307 - 2012-09-16 19:32:06 UTC
now perhaps you could make them more useful :P

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Jarin Arenos
Card Shark Industries
#308 - 2012-09-16 20:33:33 UTC
Harvey James wrote:
now perhaps you could make them more useful :P

Go pester Fozzie. :P

But I'm not CCP Soundwave, so what do I know?
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#309 - 2012-09-16 20:41:04 UTC
Jarin Arenos wrote:
Harvey James wrote:
now perhaps you could make them more useful :P

Go pester Fozzie. :P


it was a joke although hes doing ships and often ignores me Cry

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
whaynethepain
#310 - 2012-09-17 11:32:32 UTC
Hey, this has been a bit of an issue for me for the last two year.

I like to use Meta 4 stuff, because it mostly fits better than T II, Meta 5, and is usually better than meta 1 stuff.

Can you bang in a M1 or M4 in the title, it would save me much reading descriptions to glance at an item meta lvl.

EG,

Modal Light Electron Particle Accelerator I

would be,

M2 Modal Light Electron Particle Accelerator I .


J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I

would be,

M3 J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I .

I think the names are brilliant, and the more complex and interesting the better, but would like to see a little order in the market place.

Getting you on your feet.

So you've further to fall.
Reppyk
The Black Shell
#311 - 2012-09-17 11:49:47 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:
ha.... hahaha..... hahahahahahahahaha

It's funny because you don't realize I have already done that of winter. :P
Faction POS mods in the market please. Pirate

I AM SPACE CAPTAIN REPPYK. BEWARE.

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CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#312 - 2012-09-17 12:03:58 UTC
Reppyk wrote:
CCP FoxFour wrote:
ha.... hahaha..... hahahahahahahahaha

It's funny because you don't realize I have already done that of winter. :P
Faction POS mods in the market please. Pirate


They aren't? Well crap. Why you gotta tell me these things...

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whaynethepain
#313 - 2012-09-17 13:49:00 UTC
Na, changed my mind completely, I'd like interesting names for everything, some of the names are really original and sound tough, better than what I can think of.

Oversized repeating blunderbuss chunder cannons would have a place in my hanger.

Super-coaxel smeg shielding deflector buffers would be fun.

People would just complain if things didn't match their expectations, intimated through a standardised naming structure I imagine.

Getting you on your feet.

So you've further to fall.
Reppyk
The Black Shell
#314 - 2012-09-17 14:20:42 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:
They aren't? Well crap. Why you gotta tell me these things...
I give you one hour. Pirate

I AM SPACE CAPTAIN REPPYK. BEWARE.

Proud co-admin of frugu.net, a French fansite about EVE !
Novolle
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#315 - 2012-09-18 11:32:25 UTC
I, for one, applaud this new naming scheme. It makes so much sense it almost hurts.
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#316 - 2012-09-18 12:10:33 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
all this is well and good, but please *pretty pretty* please can you add a "did you mean" thingy like google for the old names to bring up the new modules, in the search boxes in eve.

so if i search for say, regenerative it would come up with "did you mean energized armor layering membrane" and i can find what im looking for.

Took many people many years to learn what everything is called to make the tedious task of .... well playing eve easier and faster, its even more of a challenge to rummage through all the module category's and relearn the new names.



pleeeeeeeeeeeze?

I still type photon for em wards, every, damned, time :(
lol

Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
Wardeneo
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#317 - 2012-10-13 06:44:33 UTC
I really like this idea, untill I looked at your picture showing new laser names... In the medium focused laser section - you have renamed them to small and that I fear will make matters more confusing :/

Only quarrel so far ^^

-Wardeneo-
Wardeneo
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#318 - 2012-10-13 06:45:11 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
Muad 'dib wrote:
all this is well and good, but please *pretty pretty* please can you add a "did you mean" thingy like google for the old names to bring up the new modules, in the search boxes in eve.

so if i search for say, regenerative it would come up with "did you mean energized armor layering membrane" and i can find what im looking for.

Took many people many years to learn what everything is called to make the tedious task of .... well playing eve easier and faster, its even more of a challenge to rummage through all the module category's and relearn the new names.



pleeeeeeeeeeeze?

I still type photon for em wards, every, damned, time :(
lol


Me too ^^ lol

-Wardeneo-
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#319 - 2012-10-14 17:06:27 UTC
Don't dumb it down too much! I'm no EVE savant, but from experience I can't fathom why noobs have trouble with these after a week or so of using them. Really, it just seems like people who complain about how "NOW I know but back when I was three days old I had trouble this one time" PUH-LEASE that's hardly a problem. IMO:

-The lack of a I at the end of some of the metas should be fixed, yes.

-Consistent names for the meta stuff is good, yes.

-Gatling is perfectly fine, wth is wrong with it?!? It fits the look and doesn't sound lame like "spiral."

-The current size names are interesting and require a bit of knowledge, so what? Like I already said, it shouldn't be difficult for anyone under 6 cups of coffee to figure out, and now that a glimpse of the item icon in your hangar shows an S, M, or L, it's simple to set the record straight.

Don't dumb down EVE beyond what's necessary!!!

There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.
Nikodiemus
Ganja Clade
Shadow Cartel
#320 - 2012-10-15 12:25:43 UTC
Crassus Detlator wrote:
I think that before going on with the namen changeing (which I think is a good thing to stadarize modules, meta levels, etc), we should stop and think again of the meta level tags.
Currently, they force to memorize the order, with no particular clue or logic, so it would still force us to "show info" and look for the meta level until we know it by heart.
The current meta level words, should be better if changed to:

  • Experimental (Meta level 1)
  • Limited (Meta level 2)
  • Prototype (Meta level 3)
  • Upgraded (Meta level 4)


That way, the words, in alphabetical order, reflect the proper meta level, and lead to a better and more instictive use.

Also, I believe that the $size should always be the first item on the name, which would also make for sorting on the inventory and market for better and simpler distinction betweet weapons (and other modules):

  • Small Gatling Pulse Laser I
  • Small Experimental Gatling Pulse Laser I
  • Small Limited Gatling Pulse Laser I
  • Small Prototype Gatling Pulse Laser I
  • Small Upgraded Gatling Pulse Laser I
  • Small Gatling Pulse Laser II


A lot of people was concerned on losing some of the rich lore from eve, and considered this sort of changes to be s "dulling the game", and I cannot disagree 100% with that. To somehow keep the lore nameing, and make the modules a little more distinct, we could use the same logic for the meta levels, replacing "Gatling" for the other flavour word of choice. Something like this:

  • Small Gatling Pulse Laser I
  • Small Experimental Afocal Pulse Laser I
  • Small Limited Modal Pulse Laser I
  • Small Prototype Anode Pulse Laser I
  • Small Upgraded Modulated Pulse Laser I
  • Small Gatling Pulse Laser II


The two T1 and T2 modules distinguish themselves by having the same exact name and I and II respectively, and the other named modules, are sorted alphabetically by the Size and Meta-Level-Word.

Those are my two cents.

Thanks for reaching to us for feedback on something that really feels important to us players, even though it doesn't concerns game mechanics!

Crassus.


Quoting for justice and substance, this man has a good point. Replacing the gatling with another pretty laser word keeps a lot of the flavor of the old names while making more sense.