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Logis on Killmails

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Edward Olmops
Gunboat Commando
#1 - 2012-09-15 16:55:31 UTC
Please add Logis to Killmails....

Battle Reports generated from Killmails will be more accurate and players will be more likely to fly Logistics if they don't get denied all the fame Pirate

Technically, anyone who targets a positive effect one of the attackers who appear on the Killmail should also be put on the Killmail.
If someone just scrambles or uses E-War, he will be in the report, why not for Sensor Boosting and RR?
L4ST
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-09-15 17:35:46 UTC
this has been posted soooo many times

and DEVs denied it

but no matter what, this really should happen.
After all what people look for is glory and/or ISK, ISK hoarders suck, increase glory factor. Get Logis on KMs!

(not to mention that KMs are the common way to see fleet participation in SOVwar)
Dread Pirate Pete
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-09-15 18:46:27 UTC
Perhaps Logis should get savemails instead? :p
L4ST
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-09-16 10:06:47 UTC
there was so much "but we cant do this should we count all repped amount, blah blah" whining about this in the past...

simply adding them with 0 damage (like EWAR) as soon as any damage dealer they repped gets on a killmail and all is fine ... cant be that difficult

whoever decides not to shoot stuff but taking the long logi training should be rewarded with tons of killmails
Dread Pirate Pete
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-09-16 13:05:48 UTC
L4ST wrote:
whoever decides not to shoot stuff but taking the long logi training should be rewarded with tons of killmails


Except soon we till have t1 logi frigs/cruisers for everyone. Prepare yourself for massive killmail whoring.
Martin0
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-09-16 18:27:02 UTC
Dread Pirate Pete wrote:
L4ST wrote:
whoever decides not to shoot stuff but taking the long logi training should be rewarded with tons of killmails


Except soon we till have t1 logi frigs/cruisers for everyone. Prepare yourself for massive killmail whoring.


T1 logi cruisers with bonus to logi drones that noone will ever use because everyone will want to get on the killmails.
Obsidiana
Atrament Inc.
#7 - 2012-09-16 19:36:57 UTC
Mentioned in the CSM Minutes by the Counsil. Not having it makes no sense to me.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-09-17 00:03:52 UTC
remove killmails
L4ST
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-09-17 10:28:29 UTC
Dread Pirate PeteExcept wrote:
soon we till have t1 logi frigs/cruisers for everyone. Prepare yourself for massive killmail whoring.


FCs decide what fleetcomp they need. An FC who sees the fleetcomp doesnt work out will not leave (if hes some sort of sane), one could tell that after 2 weeks of fighting in fleets.
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-09-17 13:12:00 UTC
Herping yourDerp wrote:
remove killmails



this.


Just a tool really that grew out of hand in performance metrics. Hell, not even an accurate tool. back in 0.0 days on a campaign going off purely KM/kb performance I sucked ass for 2 weeks once if performance based on them.

Not on them, as a loss or killer.

Reason: I was basically on purerly uncontested bash ops that were only the 1st stage, reffing the pos. timers ran out off imy game time, someone else got to ho the pos mod km's. No enemies to kill....reffing a pos gets you 0 km's. shoot till timere comes up...move on to next. All this whining about logis....shiiiii....try blowing millioins in ammo nighltly for days on end actually hititng targets, and not getting any credit for it.

good logi's get their due credit in other ways. Many logi's who were johnny on the spot night after night, you got their back as a form of thanks.
whaynethepain
#11 - 2012-09-17 15:57:14 UTC
Yea, but surely, while applying logistics, the logi pilot is aggressing the one they rep?

Like a doc jabs his patient in the butt, or stitching that loose skin together nice and tight, the nurse giving med's, etc...

The logi should not be seen on hostile KM's, ideally.

One could, at a glance see, and appreciate exactly how hard the logi has had to work to bolster his fleet, by all his friendly KM's.

This would also make logistics a little more dynamic. And everyone would probably get at least one rep from a logi Blink

Getting you on your feet.

So you've further to fall.

Aldeb Haraz
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#12 - 2012-09-17 19:40:21 UTC
I would much rather see logis on friendly mails instead of on hostile mails, for a few reasons. First of all, it should be a lot simpler to integrate on an already existing platform rather than changing RR aggression mechanics around. Second, and most importantly, it would provide a valuable metric to judge logi pilots by.

Feel like you died because logi didnt rep you? Easy to go back to a battle report and sort by "reps applied" to yell at all those in the bottom.

Sure, with this system the logi pilot will not get on all the killmails that the offensive ships receive, but nonetheless they will be represented and at the end of the day the pilot did choose to fly a support ship over the rest.
Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#13 - 2012-09-17 22:06:37 UTC
logis should be on killmails. especially after the crimewatch changes in re transitive aggression flagging

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.

whaynethepain
#14 - 2012-09-17 23:33:06 UTC
Denidil wrote:
logis should be on killmails. especially after the crimewatch changes in re transitive aggression flagging


Do you mean like on the kills, of the ships, which the logi repped, which got on a kill?

If so, this would be a marvellous mechanic for ships on remote sensor booster duties and the remote ECCM.

Damage drones mechanics seem to do something similar when they assist someone, the drone launcher gets on the KM.

Getting you on your feet.

So you've further to fall.

Kuroteren
Sourced Causality
#15 - 2012-09-18 02:36:30 UTC
Here's an idea, since killmails are now officially known as "kill reports", CCP could add in a Friendlies section to the report that lists any person who is using an assist module from reps to rsb.
L4ST
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-09-18 07:46:00 UTC  |  Edited by: L4ST
Zan Shiro wrote:
Herping yourDerp wrote:
remove killmails



this.


Just a tool really that grew out of hand in performance metrics. Hell, not even an accurate tool. back in 0.0 days on a campaign going off purely KM/kb performance I sucked ass for 2 weeks once if performance based on them.

Not on them, as a loss or killer.

Reason: I was basically on purerly uncontested bash ops that were only the 1st stage, reffing the pos. timers ran out off imy game time, someone else got to ho the pos mod km's. No enemies to kill....reffing a pos gets you 0 km's. shoot till timere comes up...move on to next. All this whining about logis....shiiiii....try blowing millioins in ammo nighltly for days on end actually hititng targets, and not getting any credit for it.

good logi's get their due credit in other ways. Many logi's who were johnny on the spot night after night, you got their back as a form of thanks.



Well actually it would fit to add a whole fleet to the Killmail. Anyone in fleet actively participated in blowing something up so everyone should be added.

For performance NOBODY cares about how many damage somebody did => remove it. This occasionally leads to "lol, look at how much damage that little rifter did" but seriously, who would miss it...
Sinzor Aumer
Planetary Harvesting and Processing LLC
#17 - 2012-09-18 07:56:49 UTC
Add +5 m3 to drone bay, to be able to fit 1 attacking drone. Now you have a choice either to be efficient at repairing, or get a KM.
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#18 - 2012-09-18 10:23:08 UTC
Who got the credit for allegedly (word used in honour of all the paranoid out there) snuffing Osama Bin Laden?

That is right, Seal Team 6.

Not the grunt who unpacked the shipping container used to lug their gear around.
Not the cook who made their breakfast.
Not even the guy who pinpointed the location on a satellite image.

If you want credit for a kill, grab a damn gun!
whaynethepain
#19 - 2012-09-18 12:54:37 UTC
Veshta Yoshida wrote:
Who got the credit for allegedly (word used in honour of all the paranoid out there) snuffing Osama Bin Laden?

That is right, Seal Team 6.

Not the grunt who unpacked the shipping container used to lug their gear around.
Not the cook who made their breakfast.
Not even the guy who pinpointed the location on a satellite image.

If you want credit for a kill, grab a damn gun!


That is actually a very good point.

The team medic would be carrying a gun as well as the first aid kit.

Please excuse my simplified generalisation, but it's the point.

Getting you on your feet.

So you've further to fall.

Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#20 - 2012-09-18 15:26:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Veshta Yoshida
There is absolutely nothing preventing current 'team medics' from strapping that gun on, mail whoring is as old as time and doesn't even require any actual damage be done .. question is if your team wants you as a 'medic' if you run waving that gun around just so you can say "I was there".

In short: System already allows mails for everyone involved in primary combat ops (links are not involved), it does however require you to make some sort of sacrifice, be it a token whoring gun or drones.