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Open Season : Goonswarm Wants YOU! — To Kill All Miners

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Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
#121 - 2011-10-13 15:03:45 UTC
Tauren Tom wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Discussing petitions and other private communications with CCP on the forums is against the rules.



Ah but you see, I am not discussing petitions in the direct sense of their rules ;)

You have to pay very close attention to loopholes. You see, most countries don't bar disclosure of messages between a corporation and their clients. And since I'm paying CCP for atleast 3 services, buying their plex's and such, I am a client and they are not a protected industry. Any statements they make in whole or in part to any member of their client baseis not considered priviledged information as it does not give a noticeable advantage over another member nor does it disclose any personal information about their clients nor staff.

Not to mention keeping their petition statements confidential and refusing to publicly admit / notify their client base of a failure on their part in whole or in part is a breach of their own EULA and ToS agreements in which they are required to notify the player base/clients and any associated marketing groups immeadiatly of service changes, rule changes and status changes to their service and/or provider base.

Short version:

CCP in no way shape or form can hold client / staff priviledge over anyone's head about disseminating a document or communication which affects the state of the game, gameplay or any form of explotation as refusing to do so and then banning someone for doing exactly what they explained in a GM to Client message and kept "underwraps" would be considered entrapment and a severe violation of their service agreements.

(I'm extremely bored at the moment incase you couldn't tell. Not to mention all i would have to do anyway is post their GM statements on a 3rd party site not include a name and just drop a link from a trial account at the local cafe then be done with any possible implications of myself or anyone else)


STOP! MY EYES MY EYES! You sound like a friggin' lawyer. Knock that crap off. I'll take a world full of Goons, before I'll settle on one friggin attorney. Amirite?

Hugs for everyone! Except lawyers.

Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen.                   And some days, you're just a man with a gun.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#122 - 2011-10-13 17:22:29 UTC
Florestan Bronstein wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
My name is sky captain Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com

you need an eye patch

no eye patch = cheap fake

I am not a fake.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
David Cedarbridge
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#123 - 2011-10-13 19:37:11 UTC  |  Edited by: David Cedarbridge
Mortis vonShadow wrote:
Tauren Tom wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Discussing petitions and other private communications with CCP on the forums is against the rules.



Ah but you see, I am not discussing petitions in the direct sense of their rules ;)

You have to pay very close attention to loopholes. You see, most countries don't bar disclosure of messages between a corporation and their clients. And since I'm paying CCP for atleast 3 services, buying their plex's and such, I am a client and they are not a protected industry. Any statements they make in whole or in part to any member of their client baseis not considered priviledged information as it does not give a noticeable advantage over another member nor does it disclose any personal information about their clients nor staff.

Not to mention keeping their petition statements confidential and refusing to publicly admit / notify their client base of a failure on their part in whole or in part is a breach of their own EULA and ToS agreements in which they are required to notify the player base/clients and any associated marketing groups immeadiatly of service changes, rule changes and status changes to their service and/or provider base.

Short version:

CCP in no way shape or form can hold client / staff priviledge over anyone's head about disseminating a document or communication which affects the state of the game, gameplay or any form of explotation as refusing to do so and then banning someone for doing exactly what they explained in a GM to Client message and kept "underwraps" would be considered entrapment and a severe violation of their service agreements.

(I'm extremely bored at the moment incase you couldn't tell. Not to mention all i would have to do anyway is post their GM statements on a 3rd party site not include a name and just drop a link from a trial account at the local cafe then be done with any possible implications of myself or anyone else)


STOP! MY EYES MY EYES! You sound like a friggin' lawyer. Knock that crap off. I'll take a world full of Goons, before I'll settle on one friggin attorney. Amirite?

Hugs for everyone! Except lawyers.

Its a shame that all of that long winded babble is technically incorrect. I'd stare that down in court any day of the week. Personal request, before anyone gets all hot and bothered about their newest "loophole" they found in EULA/law/etc they should probably actually consider learning the law associated. People get degrees to practice this stuff for a reason.
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
#124 - 2011-10-14 10:44:31 UTC
David Cedarbridge are you an attorney? A Goon thats a lawyer in real life. Why am I suprised.

+1 for finding your niche in EVE Online.

Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen.                   And some days, you're just a man with a gun.
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#125 - 2011-10-14 10:59:38 UTC
Mortis vonShadow wrote:
David Cedarbridge are you an attorney? A Goon thats a lawyer in real life. Why am I suprised.

+1 for finding your niche in EVE Online.

Uhh,... You know that Mittens is an attorney, right?

Funny thing I have noticed. Underneath all the stuff people think about Goons, most of them are well educated, functional adults.

Who are obsessed by a puppy. Cool

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Elson Tamar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#126 - 2011-10-14 11:33:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Elson Tamar
What i like about this is that it's:

a) Very clever and has little risk to the Goons finances or own ships

b) Gets a bunch of people eating each other over scraps of ISK, which is their own fault

c) Encourages people to 0.0 and low sec as the risk is the same and lets face it soon there will be a bunch of suicide gankers who will only be able to fly low sec

d) Has finally made me want to ice mine, normaly sat in Gillantee space i wouldn't bother, but now if i nip to caldari, ammar or min space i can mine, bring it back and sell it and make a big profit, although i may hold onto it for after winter.

I never thought i'd say this and it makes me cry a little inside but.... thankyou goons.

I feel dirty now.
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
#127 - 2011-10-14 11:40:38 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Uhh,... You know that Mittens is an attorney, right?


Great!Cry Just when I was beginning to think that the Goons couldn't sink any lower...

Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen.                   And some days, you're just a man with a gun.
Angry Onions
League of Angered Gentlemen
#128 - 2011-10-14 14:05:07 UTC
I think the Mittens should start a GoonWaffe Legal Serve blah blah blah.... GOON LAWYERS \o/

S H I T P O S T I N G
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
#129 - 2011-10-14 14:12:51 UTC
Angry Onions wrote:
I think the Mittens should start a GoonWaffe Legal Serve blah blah blah.... GOON LAWYERS \o/


Thats all well and good, but there are no ambulances to chase here in New Eden :)

Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen.                   And some days, you're just a man with a gun.
Angry Onions
League of Angered Gentlemen
#130 - 2011-10-14 14:34:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Angry Onions
Mortis vonShadow wrote:

Thats all well and good, but there are no ambulances to chase here in New Eden :)

Then guess what kind of ships should be introduced into New Eden?

S H I T P O S T I N G
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#131 - 2011-10-14 15:41:42 UTC
Elson Tamar wrote:

c) Encourages people to 0.0 and low sec as the risk is the same and lets face it soon there will be a bunch of suicide gankers who will only be able to fly low sec.

What are you talking about? -10.0 can fly around high security space with no problem.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#132 - 2011-10-14 15:41:53 UTC
Elson Tamar wrote:

c) Encourages people to 0.0 and low sec as the risk is the same and lets face it soon there will be a bunch of suicide gankers who will only be able to fly low sec.

What are you talking about? -10.0 can fly around high security space with no problem.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
JackStraw56
Run Like an Antelope
#133 - 2011-10-14 17:15:15 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
[quote=Elson Tamar]
What are you talking about? -10.0 can fly around high security space with no problem.

Well you can do it, but there are some.....annoyances.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#134 - 2011-10-14 17:17:52 UTC
JackStraw56 wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
[quote=Elson Tamar]
What are you talking about? -10.0 can fly around high security space with no problem.

Well you can do it, but there are some.....annoyances.

Buy an orca alt, or use an alt to give you a warpin. A battlecruiser with Nanofiber Internal Structures in the lows can align and warp from station before the faction navy warp scrambles it, and CONCORD does not spawn until you have actually committed an illegal action.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
#135 - 2011-10-15 01:07:39 UTC
Angry Onions wrote:
Mortis vonShadow wrote:

Thats all well and good, but there are no ambulances to chase here in New Eden :)

Then guess what kind of ships should be introduced into New Eden?



hehehe, a Tech II version of the Noctis called the Goonbulance. Flys around and picks up podded pilots, but you can only get them out if you pay a 50mil retainer fee.

Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen.                   And some days, you're just a man with a gun.
Korsiri
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#136 - 2011-10-15 01:34:13 UTC
Mortis vonShadow wrote:
Angry Onions wrote:
Mortis vonShadow wrote:

Thats all well and good, but there are no ambulances to chase here in New Eden :)

Then guess what kind of ships should be introduced into New Eden?



hehehe, a Tech II version of the Noctis called the Goonbulance. Flys around and picks up podded pilots, but you can only get them out if you pay a 50mil retainer fee.


Paddywagon ;)

But da Goons make this sound like fun!

pondering new line of 'work'
Baranga DevilBitch
Anulus aureus
#137 - 2011-10-15 07:00:06 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Hello Space Friends;

So how does this work? It's very simple. Any ship on the below list is eligible for a bounty payout, so long as it is destroyed in Caldari or Gallente high security space. Let me say that again: in order for a kill to be eligible for bounty payouts, the kill must occur in either Caldari high security space or Gallente high security space. Another provision is that the killmail must be API-verified in order for the pilot to receive payment.

ELIGIBLE SHIPS & BOUNTY PAYOUTS
  • 500 million ISK : Anshar, Ark, Nomad, Rhea
  • 250 million ISK : Orca; Charon, Fenrir, Obelisk, Providence
  • 25 million ISK : Hulk
  • 10 million ISK : Mackinaw; Capsule*
  • 5 million ISK : Covetor, Procurer, Retriever, Skiff; Bustard, Crane, Impel, Mastodon, Occator, Prorator, Prowler, Viator



    • We are Erasers.Co,. Minmatar separatist organization, our mission is to destroy any civilian ship that helps the economy Caldari, so we decided to join the saga of the destruction of ships in the Caldari space.

    And it was notified that anyone with a legitimate kill in Caldari space can claim the reward, and here we are.

    http://killboard.erasersco.com/

    We will be please it this rewards, Our wars machines need ammos
    Twisted
    Nephilius
    Deep Core Mining Inc.
    Caldari State
    #138 - 2011-10-15 15:57:25 UTC
    David Cedarbridge wrote:
    Its a shame that all of that long winded babble is technically incorrect. I'd stare that down in court any day of the week. Personal request, before anyone gets all hot and bothered about their newest "loophole" they found in EULA/law/etc they should probably actually consider learning the law associated. People get degrees to practice this stuff for a reason.


    Since when have technicalities ever stopped the law from being applied inappropriately? There's precedent for everything, something that is regularly used in legal proceedings.
    "If."
    David Cedarbridge
    Republic Military School
    Minmatar Republic
    #139 - 2011-10-15 18:54:08 UTC
    Nephilius wrote:
    David Cedarbridge wrote:
    Its a shame that all of that long winded babble is technically incorrect. I'd stare that down in court any day of the week. Personal request, before anyone gets all hot and bothered about their newest "loophole" they found in EULA/law/etc they should probably actually consider learning the law associated. People get degrees to practice this stuff for a reason.


    Since when have technicalities ever stopped the law from being applied inappropriately? There's precedent for everything, something that is regularly used in legal proceedings.


    That's vague enough to almost make sense. In other news, it might rain tomorrow therefore it is always raining.
    Sigarni Green
    Hedion University
    Amarr Empire
    #140 - 2011-10-16 07:14:06 UTC
    The one thing people seem to be mising is that jita is in Caldari space. Being that a very large percentage of all trade in eve goes via Jita and a large amount is via haulers. Most of the north aka Goons & co use Jita. So be sure to ganks some of their haulers and get them to pay you for it :-)
    But Jita will be gank central, untill a new trade hub outside of gallente or caldari space is found.

    Let the good times roll.