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Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#41 - 2012-09-15 18:06:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Oliver
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Now I understand why you guys aren't allowed to use local.

Ironic troll is ironic.
Goons will be goons.
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SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#42 - 2012-09-15 20:24:22 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:

Does anyone honestly believe that there is even one 23/7 Alliance border gatecamp in operation that isn't entirely manned by bots?


Every once in a while it's fun to just quote a post of a person who has absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

Hint: The only semi permanent gatecamp that I've seen in action on any alliance boarder is the EC- gatecamp, and it's not run by bots, it's run by idiots.
Ugleb
Jotunn Risi
#43 - 2012-09-15 20:33:00 UTC
Paul Oliver wrote:
Roime wrote:
Hisec is full of missioning bots, because L4s make so much ISK.
Which I was under the impression people were banned for using.
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
According to CCP security at Fanfest 2012, The Forge alone had more bots then all of nullsec put together
Spots #2 all the way to #12 were all highsec regions as well.
And I would wager my implants a fair chunk of those bots are nullsec alts, farming highsec because they don't want to use too many bots in their own backyard and draw attention to themselves.


Any player caught using any sort of bot is subject to punishment, regardless of where the bot was operating.

If nullsec players are choosing to run their bots in high sec, then that suggests that running bots in high sec is actually stil pretty lucrative. Otherwise they wouldn't be doing it.

The truth is, EVE has a wide spread botting problem that CCP did not take seriously enough for a very long time. They have however started to change their ways and have been fighting back hard over the past year or so. It is definitely still a problem, but it is most definitely not all about null sec. All types of players in EVE can be guilty of cheating, not just one demographic.

I work with a (semi-retired) player who has lived a long term EVE career in empire who has admitted to buying ISK in the past. He also admitted to not knowing what PLEX was for and that he could have done it legitimately, which is why I agree strongly with CCP Sreeg's mantra of re-educating offenders to convert them into legitimate players.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#44 - 2012-09-15 21:14:58 UTC
I too enjoy presenting unsubstantiated opinion as fact, while at the same time blatantly ignoring easily obtainable information that disproves what I say.

Oh, and 24/7 bot run null sec gate camps, LOL. LolLolLolLolLol

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Pipa Porto
#45 - 2012-09-15 21:38:35 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:

Does anyone honestly believe that there is even one 23/7 Alliance border gatecamp in operation that isn't entirely manned by bots?


Every once in a while it's fun to just quote a post of a person who has absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

Hint: The only semi permanent gatecamp that I've seen in action on any alliance boarder is the EC- gatecamp, and it's not run by bots, it's run by idiots.


I have to quibble here. The EC- camp is funded by idiots. It's persecuted by the people able to prey on idiots.

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Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#46 - 2012-09-16 00:04:58 UTC
KIller Wabbit wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
A fact can be false...


1) no they still do investigations based on petitions and emails just like the good old days.


Really? How do you know that? Ever received feedback from CCP that said - "GJ, you found a bot and we have perm banned them!" Nope - you haven't, because CCP has said they won't name-shame, even though that would be the highest form of deterrent they could have. If Alliances are profiting from it - it would stop in it's tracks.



CCP said they still do, and since bots are still getting banned (as evident by the many many botter tears), I'm inclined to believe them.
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#47 - 2012-09-16 00:08:00 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
KIller Wabbit wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
A fact can be false...


1) no they still do investigations based on petitions and emails just like the good old days.


Really? How do you know that? Ever received feedback from CCP that said - "GJ, you found a bot and we have perm banned them!" Nope - you haven't, because CCP has said they won't name-shame, even though that would be the highest form of deterrent they could have. If Alliances are profiting from it - it would stop in it's tracks.



CCP said they still do, and since bots are still getting banned (as evident by the many many botter tears), I'm inclined to believe them.


CCP says a lot of things...

Where? I haven't seen any evidence of botter tears presented. Please link so I can enjoy as well... Thanks!
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#48 - 2012-09-16 00:13:27 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:


Or, instead of going to the skeezy side of the internet, head over to the nosy gamer, who does the looking for you.

http://nosygamer.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/ccps-war-on-bots-questor-tears-mixed.html

And the botting tears are hilarious.


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KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#49 - 2012-09-16 00:16:59 UTC
Those tears are so old they've all dried up. We need monthly evidence that CCP is staying after this. It's been all quiet on this front for months.
Pipa Porto
#50 - 2012-09-16 00:46:48 UTC
KIller Wabbit wrote:
Those tears are so old they've all dried up. We need monthly evidence that CCP is staying after this. It's been all quiet on this front for months.


http://nosygamer.blogspot.com/2012/07/ccps-war-on-bots-eve-pilots-bad-june.html

Here's June.

http://nosygamer.blogspot.com/2012/08/ccps-war-on-bots-dont-get-cocky.html

Here's August.

You want more, go find it yourself.

Now, in light of the fact that bots cost CCP money (take a look at the CPU usage per user graphs related to Unholy Rage), why on earth would CCP need to provide monthly reports on their effectiveness that would only serve to aid botters in remaining undetected?

If you have a good faith belief that something has changed with regards to CCP's policy on botting enforcement, why haven't you provided any evidence of such a change?

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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2012-09-16 03:58:34 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:

Oh, and 24/7 bot run null sec gate camps, LOL. LolLolLolLolLol

Aha! And I thought I couldn't get through because I was bad at Eve.

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General Nusense
Doomheim
#52 - 2012-09-16 06:56:57 UTC
Paul Oliver wrote:
If the nullsec alliances are really funding their empires using automated bot programs I wish I could use those same tools to farm isk and make pvp as painless for me as it is for them. It doesn't seem right that they have access to billions in resources which apparently they farm via hundreds of players and automated programs while people like me have to grind our asses off just to make a pittance. Then to top it all off they lobby for changes to highsec in order to make it even less profitable in order to force even more players into their part of the sandbox to farm even more isk for them.

I've heard many a person on here chant the mantra "risk vs reward", and yet it seems that many of the people saying this are making huge amounts of isk with little to no risk, while people like me are expected to take relatively high amounts of risk for only minimal rewards, which is almost ironic considering that they claim highsec players aren't taking enough risk, when their vast wealth and resources ensure hardly any risk for them.


Goons run so many bots its unbelievable.

From members botting rats to the bots watching local and reporting neutral fleets. I really wish CCP would do a more in depth investigation into more of the null sec alliances. It would be amazing to see how many people would get banned.

Made a signature so I am taken seriously on the forums, since thats the only thing they are good for.
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#53 - 2012-09-16 07:18:07 UTC
General Nusense wrote:
I really wish CCP would do a more in depth investigation into more of the null sec alliances. It would be amazing to see how many people would get banned.
Might be why they don't (adjusts his tinfoil).
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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2012-09-16 08:25:15 UTC
Paul Oliver wrote:
Roime wrote:
Hisec is full of missioning bots, because L4s make so much ISK.
Which I was under the impression people were banned for using.

While most botters will eventually get banned the key to "solving" the botting problem is to ban them before they have recouped their investment and CCP is - as far as I know and I spend a fair bit of time reading botting forums - pretty bad at achieving this.

You basically have to hand out the ban within the first 2 weeks of the bot's operation to be effective.

Otherwise you just manage to scare off casual botters while the professionals (with ties into RMT operations) keep doing their thing.

You may manage to reduce their profit margin but as long as they are profitable they can keep increasing the number of bots until they reach the desired income.

.
Pipa Porto
#55 - 2012-09-16 08:35:20 UTC
General Nusense wrote:
Goons run so many bots its unbelievable.


Then why haven't you reported the bots you've clearly uncovered? I don't see why you'd be making such a claim without some evidence to support it, so why not forward said evidence to CCP and solve the problem?

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Kell Tarhun
Neptunis
#56 - 2012-09-16 08:50:43 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:


Then why haven't you reported the bots you've clearly uncovered? I don't see why you'd be making such a claim without some evidence to support it, so why not forward said evidence to CCP and solve the problem?


Well thats one of the reasons of this post to let CCP do sth about bot issue.
As you can see bots are pretty much everywhere no mattar of alliance or is it 0.0 low sec or high sec.
They just are.
I see no point crucifing any player that use them or any alliance that use them. Bots are and CCP instead of making official statistics where they are, how many of them, in whitch alliance should PREVENT BOTS TO APPEAR IN GAME.

Otherwise it is pretty much pointless to discuss who got them and blah blah blah....
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#57 - 2012-09-16 09:12:12 UTC
Kell Tarhun wrote:
All those are FACTS.


Actually, pretty much all of those are wrong.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#58 - 2012-09-16 09:15:00 UTC
General Nusense wrote:
Paul Oliver wrote:
If the nullsec alliances are really funding their empires using automated bot programs I wish I could use those same tools to farm isk and make pvp as painless for me as it is for them. It doesn't seem right that they have access to billions in resources which apparently they farm via hundreds of players and automated programs while people like me have to grind our asses off just to make a pittance. Then to top it all off they lobby for changes to highsec in order to make it even less profitable in order to force even more players into their part of the sandbox to farm even more isk for them.

I've heard many a person on here chant the mantra "risk vs reward", and yet it seems that many of the people saying this are making huge amounts of isk with little to no risk, while people like me are expected to take relatively high amounts of risk for only minimal rewards, which is almost ironic considering that they claim highsec players aren't taking enough risk, when their vast wealth and resources ensure hardly any risk for them.


Goons run so many bots its unbelievable.

From members botting rats to the bots watching local and reporting neutral fleets. I really wish CCP would do a more in depth investigation into more of the null sec alliances. It would be amazing to see how many people would get banned.


There's this guy, General Nusense in an NPC corp... He runs a bot 23.5/7, it's unbelievable.

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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#59 - 2012-09-16 10:51:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Kell Tarhun wrote:


2) CCP made player base responsible of moderation bot issue. Lets be honest i have seen just 1 of 100 times situation when player "reported" another players as bot.
In other way we all pay isk or buy from legal sources plexes to continue playing Eve Online to become moderators and get our game experience about Eve Online to do what CCP should do instead of US


Then you get ppl like Goons who "refuse to police the game FOR CCP"

Pipa Porto wrote:
General Nusense wrote:
Goons run so many bots its unbelievable.


Then why haven't you reported the bots you've clearly uncovered? I don't see why you'd be making such a claim without some evidence to support it, so why not forward said evidence to CCP and solve the problem?


cause they dont care? Especially about Goon bots.

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Pipa Porto
#60 - 2012-09-16 21:40:37 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Kell Tarhun wrote:


2) CCP made player base responsible of moderation bot issue. Lets be honest i have seen just 1 of 100 times situation when player "reported" another players as bot.
In other way we all pay isk or buy from legal sources plexes to continue playing Eve Online to become moderators and get our game experience about Eve Online to do what CCP should do instead of US


Then you get ppl like Goons who "refuse to police the game FOR CCP"

Pipa Porto wrote:
General Nusense wrote:
Goons run so many bots its unbelievable.


Then why haven't you reported the bots you've clearly uncovered? I don't see why you'd be making such a claim without some evidence to support it, so why not forward said evidence to CCP and solve the problem?


cause they dont care? Especially about Goon bots.


So you've provided CCP with proof positive of botting, and they've failed to act?

My, that is serious. Why don't you present that proof here and we can start making some noise to force CCP to act?

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