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Blueprint Seller
Bring Me Sunshine
#21 - 2012-09-15 11:10:38 UTC
Kell Tarhun wrote:
Well to be honest i am not going to change my offer as it will cut me down from profits.
To answer to your points. I am doing trading because i am patient and liquidating assets and my investments for your private security is bad deal for me.

Ok. I think I understand your situation. But I also think you are asking for too much for an unknown person with no collateral or audit.

Good luck finding investment, I will pass.
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#22 - 2012-09-15 11:27:42 UTC
Kell Tarhun wrote:
i haven't add anything new to my first post while conversation with you.

Actually, I think this conversation has revealed some usefull information that was not available in the original post.

Kell Tarhun wrote:
I do not find my psychological arguments that much important.

When you are lending spaceships money to a stranger on an spaceships forum these phychological arguments are one of few tools we have available to figure out if something is legitimate or not.

Kell Tarhun wrote:
I run business and i am more about numbers.

Ok, so give me some more numbers and get an audit to confirm them.

You are asking to be given 7b isk, so you should be prepared to put some work in to the process.

Kell Tarhun wrote:
Good impression, positive PR - it is not me.

Yes, I realise that. However if you want someone to come out of their comfort zone and risk 7b isk in an investment with you then you may have to come out of your comfort zone first.

Kell Tarhun wrote:
i am not here to bore whole market community using syntax figures.

Do not worry, if they are not interested they will not read it.
flakeys
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-09-15 11:53:28 UTC
Kell Tarhun wrote:
Bad Bobby wrote:
Kell Tarhun wrote:
There is no sense to put personal arguments in market postor spam me.
Offer is transparent in my first post. here. Feel free to contact me if you are interested.

You are in the "Market Discussions" forum. If you do not want to discuss your loan then maybe you have chosen the wrong place to ask for it.


There is so many griefers and spammers. And to be honest i haven't add anything new to my first post while conversation with you. I do not find my psychological arguments that much important. I run business and i am more about numbers.
Good impression, positive PR - it is not me. Maybe it appears in reader mind , but who knows what more. If you interested in investing lets make it. i am not here to bore whole market community using syntax figures.



Bad bobby is not the one who has an issue dealing with you , it's you who has an issue dealing with the standard procedures that come with a loan on MD.As you said yourself nothing has changed on the original post and that post will ensure no investments at all from the people here.


My suggestion , don't look at this thread again , don't reply and never come back for a loan request on MD.

Saves yourself and others time wich could be better spend picking ones nose ...

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Kell Tarhun
Neptunis
#24 - 2012-09-15 11:55:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Kell Tarhun
Kell Tarhun wrote:
I run business and i am more about numbers.

Ok, so give me some more numbers and get an audit to confirm them.

I am sorry but giving details from a to z is not what is going to happen in this topic.
I can gave you general idea and u need to evaluate it on your own i got strong points like:

1 stable access to 0.0 market gives a lot of profit - for me enaught to pay for my ideas, infrastructure, play and spare time enjoyment. You can easily audit on your own to what territories i got access to in 0.0
2 credible alliance history
3 expierience in what i am doing as you won;t find any looses maybe empty industrial ships. I am more than sure you won't find character involved in my business. Thats one of reasons i am doing my own things stable - as only way to keep things go smooth is not informing random guys about my own ways of getting isk.
4 i belive you can check me on your own using your own ways i may be not aware of - and i do not have to be

So long story short:
1 I am not charity organisation
2 I offer avarage profit, made market search here and there and investment projects running from 5 to 15% here in topic
3 I refuse to be checked in a way that put my own investments into risk
4 i do not care of forum griefers that appeared or will appear in my post
Elli M0o
Doomheim
#25 - 2012-09-15 12:08:58 UTC
are you actually serious mate? I mean i am no where close to being a trader but even a MD noob like me wouldnt lend a million with that attitude of yours.

So all basically say is shut up and send me the isk or F*** off? Awesome approach.

I'm a bit sad to be blue to someone like you.
Kell Tarhun
Neptunis
#26 - 2012-09-15 12:16:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Kell Tarhun
Elli M0o wrote:
are you actually serious mate? I mean i am no where close to being a trader but even a MD noob like me wouldnt lend a million with that attitude of yours.

So all basically say is shut up and send me the isk or F*** off? Awesome approach.

I'm a bit sad to be blue to someone like you.


Well i am not charity. For good social skills go to other topic i am here for money not to gain posters sympathy.
I got profit, investors get profit it is all about the isk. As mentioned in earlier post million is not possible to make profits with me.

I do not care of your good mood - isk matters.
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#27 - 2012-09-15 12:24:48 UTC
Kell Tarhun wrote:
stable access to 0.0

How likely do you think it is that you will continue to have stable access to 0.0? I understand that you are at war with a formidable opponent and have been on the losing side thus far.

What will the impact be to your business if you lose access to 0.0? What are the chances that your assets will be lost or sold at firesale prices? Will you be able to afford the interest in this case? Will you be able to repay the principal in this case?

Kell Tarhun wrote:
credible alliance history

You haven't been in your current corp very long and you've already stated that you do not have strong ties there.

Kell Tarhun wrote:
I offer avarage profit, made market search here and there are investment projects running from 5 to 15% here in topic

I have no complaint about 10% interest at all. I think that is fine.

But you are asking for 7b, which is more than a first time investee should expect to raise without collateral.

If you had made an excellent proposal, answered questions well and had a good attitude you would still struggle to raise 7b at any interest rate as a first time uncollateralised unaudited investee.

Given that your proposal was not excellent, you have not answered questions well and you are being uncooperative... you are making matters even harder for yourself. Maybe someone will be foolish or charitable enough to invest, but you would have a better chance of success in a high footfall area like Jita local.
Kell Tarhun
Neptunis
#28 - 2012-09-15 13:09:30 UTC
Bad Bobby wrote:

How likely do you think it is that you will continue to have stable access to 0.0? I understand that you are at war with a formidable opponent and have been on the losing side thus far.

Beacuse i always have access to 0.0 for last 3 years. If u check my employment history all corpotions this character was involved you will find out i was living in south 0.0 with positive relations to -A- areas. It is not a problem for me to get access to any corporation in living in south blue to -A-.

Bad Bobby wrote:

What will the impact be to your business if you lose access to 0.0? What are the chances that your assets will be lost or sold at firesale prices? Will you be able to afford the interest in this case? Will you be able to repay the principal in this case?


Good question. However i do not see it a problem my logistic is outside and not connected with this toon. Considering noone knows it. It is possible for me to run it. Accidents happens however pretty sure all my chars will be not kicked in same time from alliances having blue standing to -A-. Besides i never do firesales. From time to time i buy items from them as they save my logistic time.

Bad Bobby wrote:

You haven't been in your current corp very long and you've already stated that you do not have strong ties there.

But you are asking for 7b, which is more than a first time investee should expect to raise without collateral.

If you had made an excellent proposal, answered questions well and had a good attitude you would still struggle to raise 7b at any interest rate as a first time uncollateralised unaudited investee.

Given that your proposal was not excellent, you have not answered questions well and you are being uncooperative... you are making matters even harder for yourself. Maybe someone will be foolish or charitable enough to invest, but you would have a better chance of success in a high footfall area like Jita local.


Well considering all corps i was are still connected with -A- and not only -A- i am pretty sure i got very strong ties with south 0.0
and more 0.0 than just south. I do not have to be long in one corporation to do my things. As mentioned earlier i split work from pleasure. My goals are pretty clear - get more profit than at this moment and i made very slow long term effort to realise it.
Yea 10% looks normal and to be honest in my eyes it is ok as well.
Considering all you got to offer is personal judgments - my answer for you is simple: No money no honey.
Makro SSRI
The Grey Eagles
#29 - 2012-09-15 13:45:17 UTC
Imo, 7b for a first time uncollateralized loan is a bit much to ask for, considering this amounts to more than one year of plex.
Surely, a smaller amount would still be of use to your operation and more likely to be filled, if you would additionally be more forthcoming with potential investors.
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#30 - 2012-09-15 14:06:13 UTC
Kell Tarhun wrote:
Considering all you got to offer is personal judgments - my answer for you is simple: No money no honey.

Who were you planning to borrow the 7b from? My guess would be from people who will form personal judgements of your character from the content of this thread (given that you offer them nothing else). So far there hasn't been a flood of people willing to either invest in your offering or provide a positive assesment of it, dispite your stated links to a sizeable 0.0 community.

Maybe you should go back to those 5%-15% offerings you looked at when you did your research and compare the content of those threads with this one. If you considered those threads valid research for interest rates then you should also consider them valid research for other elements that brought them success.

I don't really care if you are looking to raise money for a legitimate trading enterprise or if you are just trying to scam the isk to put towards a JF or supercapital. But given that, as you admit, no evidence of your secret business can be found without your cooperation the sensible path is to assume the worst.

I can live without the 700m in interest a lot easier that I can live without the 7b in principal. I expect most sensible investors will feel the same way.
Kell Tarhun
Neptunis
#31 - 2012-09-15 14:11:28 UTC
Makro SSRI wrote:
Imo, 7b for a first time uncollateralized loan is a bit much to ask for, considering this amounts to more than one year of plex.
Surely, a smaller amount would still be of use to your operation and more likely to be filled, if you would additionally be more forthcoming with potential investors.


Smaller amount is just not worth my effort. I already got used to using big numbers in market. I am looking for investor i can respect and they respect me with their isk offers.
Some of my sell orders and big numbers already looks nice
http://www.sendspace.pl/file/b1afdd6b38990eb742ad0c5/selling
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2012-09-15 14:12:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
Kell Tarhun wrote:
Pusswah wrote:
I might consider loaning you 20b, but you would of course need to satisfy the usual requirements for ISRAD membership to prove where ur loyalties lie.

pm T'Renn in game for info~~~


"T'Renn is either offline or otherwise unreachable."

you can do the research on your own:

https://www.pandemic-legion.com/forums/showthread.php?43197-T-Renn

(all image links in that thread and in the ISRAD thread on kugu are broken Sad).

Actually applying to join ISRAD would obviously ruin your business plan (seed -A- markets), so here is a better proposal:

Contact Grogoth about an A&C project and submit images of the result to a PL member for safekeeping.
You get the loan.
If you don't repay it in time your images will be released for great justice.

.
Kell Tarhun
Neptunis
#33 - 2012-09-15 15:05:02 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
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you can do the research on your own:

https://www.pandemic-legion.com/forums/showthread.php?43197-T-Renn

(all image links in that thread and in the ISRAD thread on kugu are broken Sad).

Actually applying to join ISRAD would obviously ruin your business plan (seed -A- markets), so here is a better proposal:

Contact Grogoth about an A&C project and submit images of the result to a PL member for safekeeping.
You get the loan.
If you don't repay it in time your images will be released for great justice.


Guys you missing recruitment topic with market topic. It is market discussions
Stigman Zuwadza
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-09-15 16:35:28 UTC
What we have here...

Big smile

Fly safe. o7

It's broken and it's been broken for a long time and it'll be broken for some time to come.
flakeys
Doomheim
#35 - 2012-09-15 16:47:20 UTC
Has been some time since we had a good fun thread , this one is starting to have potential though.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Chiyeung Bonaparte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2012-09-15 17:27:43 UTC
Vanguard Investments. Classifies this loan as a high risk loan.

A 10 percent return on investment is pretty high for a first time loan, especially for a 7 billion collateralize loan.
Unless the OP presents more concrete information on their business plan or some form of collateral, I say that
it would be high risk to invest in this.

However, since I like risk and with high risk sometimes come high reward, I am willing to invest half a billion just to be safe if other investors invest as well.
flakeys
Doomheim
#37 - 2012-09-15 19:32:56 UTC
Chiyeung Bonaparte wrote:

However, since I like risk and with high risk sometimes come high reward, I am willing to invest half a billion just to be safe if other investors invest as well.



There is a difference between high risk and blind risk.


Thank you for contributing to this threads potential , flakeys investments approves as the Md amusement is finally getting a lift off.GOD we needed one .

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Chiyeung Bonaparte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2012-09-16 06:12:38 UTC
blind risk, high risk, ill throw 500 mill at this guy and see what happens
Elli M0o
Doomheim
#39 - 2012-09-16 15:31:52 UTC
Hahaha.. This thread is starting to have great potential.

Applying to PL and claiming to have access to -A- space? Hmm, nice touch.

I'd like to see you justify that.

Or did you think scamming 7 bil out of some poor bloke will get you accepted there?
Barakach
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#40 - 2012-09-17 14:09:34 UTC
While I don't like how Kell Tarhun is communicating, I think he has gotten the message and some posts are just getting redundant and repeating "this won't work".

Give him the benefit of the doubt, be professionally critical, say what you think, and move on. We don't need to keep spamming his thread nay-saying his approach.