EVE General Discussion

Not good enough. I am not satisfied with CCP activity in boting matter.
Want some true action from them not just empty promises.

Besides bot owners play this game and they influence me and my actions by way they getting isk. If you know some guy is reporting bots and you are running bot environment alliance - you will do everything to make sure he is as far from you as possible.

I would like to focus on other aspect of game, however bot aspect destroy them all - considering Eve is Sandbox.

For example:
Imagine my alliance runs bot network and found all ships lost every mount from bots arround 300bil isk (having it washed),
Imagine your alliance doing same but you got no idea about it.
Imagine you pay for ship lost in fight in Jita from bot owner who wash isk
Imagine bot owner produces items and ships
Imagine you get reimbursement from lost ship from boting alliance
Imagine corporations paying isk for rent from ISK farming bots
Imagine bots running lvl 4 missions in highsec
Imagine bots mining everywhere.
imagine all alliances doing RMT bot network
Imagine players do not afraid to loose their supers as they use bots

Is this just imagination or real to many of us. For me it is real in many places of Eve Online.
For me it is important what CCP actually plan to do with all that. As at the moment as i observe such activity everywhere arround i see no sense in most of actions current Eve got to offer.

Pleasure Model 00213 Reporting.

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Error #123 Wrong Bot request

Plus he is in -A- which says it all really

I've been botting for over eight years now.

It's the only way to satisfy my addiction to this terrible game without having to actually play it.

Pretty sure CCP Sreegs' head exploded when my last thread was posted.

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Please do not confuse Multiboxers with Bots. They are not the same thing.

For pete's sake just check out the botting forums (no I will not link them, use Google), bots are being banned left right and center.

And it is hilarious.

The question I must ask is "What kind of bots are we talking about?" Bots get used for everything in this game, be it mining or missions.

Does anyone honestly believe that there is even one 23/7 Alliance border gatecamp in operation that isn't entirely manned by bots?

Does anyone honestly believe that there isn't even one mining bot operation running in those fifty Hulk null-sec mining fleets that eat entire systems daily?

Rat farming? Bots. Mining? Bots. Gate camping? Bots.

But see the problem isn't the bots. The problem is in the structure of the game itself. The first problem is that (just as in real life) automation is employed when a task becomes too freakin' dull for human beings to tolerate any more. How many hours can any sane person sit in place and cycle through a bunch of rocks? How many hours can any sane person sit next to a disruption bubble next to a gate? Yet the structure of the game mechanics makes these tasks necessary.

Pay attention here, CCP: MMOs are games. Games are supposed to be fun. Sitting in gate camps and staring at rocks isn't fun. We only do these things because you force us to. Now I know here is where many of you say "I don't mine, I just pew-pew all day lulz kee kee lol rotfl ohgodImgonnadieavirgin lolololololol" Alright, fine, but that ship you're flying? Someone else built that from a blueprint that required minerals that came from asteroids. Your PvP Superflash Leetard Deluxe Special Edition that you love so much only exists because somebody out there spent a lot of time mining asteroids. If every miner in the game quit you wouldn't have your shiny spaceships anymore, capeche? CCP would have to start seeding ships & modules into the game at whatever prices they felt fit. Sometimes I wonder why they don't do exactly this, but that's not my decision.

The second problem is that, by accident or design, people are more obsessed with ISK than anything else. "But of course!" you say, "That's the whole point of the game!" To which I reply, "Is it?" Do you ever take a moment to step back from your endless ISK grinding and ask "What do I need all this ISK for, anyway?" Buy a better ship? Okay, why do you need a better ship? To do harder tasks and make even more ISK? It's the same circular argument that plagues the MMO industry in general: Spend gold to buy bigger swords to fight bigger monsters that drop more gold so you can buy bigger swords. It's a hamster wheel and those who aren't blind to it are sick of it.

The question you might want to ask instead is "What kind of impact will my character have in the game? Will have had stood out in any way? Will people remember me? What will they say? What will I say about my character when reminiscing about EvE ten years from now?"

"I made a lot of ISK using bots!"

*golf clap*

And there you have it: A combination of forcing people to partake in lots of boring as heck gameplay mechanics and a tunnel-vision mentality towards gameplay goals have created the "bot problem." And I use quotation marks for a reason: Bots are not the real problem. Bots are a symptom of the real problem.

Really? How do you know that? Ever received feedback from CCP that said - "GJ, you found a bot and we have perm banned them!" Nope - you haven't, because CCP has said they won't name-shame, even though that would be the highest form of deterrent they could have. If Alliances are profiting from it - it would stop in it's tracks.