Player Features and Ideas Discussion

FINALLY! Someone admits they are as disappointed with the Cruor as I am.

Well here is my thoughts on the matter:
Firetail: needs a little buff imo. With the slasher epicness, the firetail is only slightly better actually. And the slasher does have more speed and in situations, is better than the firetail.

Cruor: I have to agree with a buff but disagree with your reasons. I am no expert, but I always figured the web on the cruor was mainly meant as a way to control range, and to fix your tracking. Tracking doesn't matter when the enemy ship is going -90% speed lol. And a web helps the fect that it is a slow arse ship. Lasers complement the web GREATLY because you can switch between ~10km range and short range at the click of a button. With a DD you either fit rails and kite or fit blasers and brawl (some exceptions yes).

It is sad that the cruor cannot neut out at near 10km, but that might just be a little OP if it did, i think. Personally a neut/vamp setup works better. You can still vamp at long ranges to provide a boost to your cap (and help drain theirs) and if you need to switch to brawling, BOOM, no cap for enemy.

The thing that mainly bothers me about the cruor is the lack of damage its lasers put out. I vote the cruor gets better damage.

No idea about sansha ships (besides the phantasm makes me very jealous with those mids), I agree with your points about the worm, If i remember correctly, weren't they gonna make a TD that affected missiles? I remember hearing about that a while back but it never got implemented... Those would knock the hookbill down a few pegs xD.

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edit, darn looks like i might be outnumbered in my opinions about the cruor, at least we can agree that the name of it is cool! (i pronounce it "crew-raaawr")

Well, the reason I think the Cruor is messed up at all ranges is:

• Very short range (1-3 km) - can track only if it stays still, in which case everything else will track it, too. Autocannons and blasters will mess it up here, but at least it can use its webs and neuts. It also has little to no chance of GTFOing here if things go south. Its tank is subpar for sitting there and absorbing damage while doing this.
• Short range (4-6 km) - can sort of operate here, but it's wasting a whole bunch of web range, and may have trouble tracking with Scorch if anything is moving. At this range it becomes very vulnerable to other laser ships, and to cruiser guns.
• Medium range (7-10 km) - at this range it's a Tormentor with better webs, since it can't use its neuts anymore. Scorch works, and it has more ways to GTFO.
• Long range (11+ km) - its lasers hardly reach out to this range, and it needs an overheated or faction web to reach. Even when it does so, it is mediocre at best, as other laser, railgun, or arty ships simply do more damage.

On top of all that, it has a chronic problem with range control because of its speed, webs notwithstanding. It's not helped by the fact that it really needs a 400mm plate to be able to soak up damage in a more than 1v1 fight -- and even then, not that well. For a ship that feels like it is designed in and shut the target down, sit on its face, and laser it, the Cruor simply doesn't have the speed, tank, and damage to live up to expectations. The Ashimmu sort of does, and the Bhaalgorn definitely does. However, they have rather stellar tanks, and the ability to burn around and neut because of the 4+ mid slots. The Cruor doesn't, do any of that, and really needs love.

there's no downside to 'wasting web range'. Blasterboats virtually always fit webs and can't hit out past ~4km.




It has a gigantic bonus to two separate ewar platforms. It isn't meant to 1v1 things. Neither the Ashimmu nor the Bhaalgorn are used for that.

Another midslot might be a decent buff idea aside from more speed or tank..or maybe better cap so it can run two neuts. Again, I agree it could use something, but you're saying that it's worse than the Worm...

give the cruor a 4th mid so that it can field propper tank/gank and it will be winnsauce.

The Cruor doesn't have a web range bonus fwiw, so that's not wasted (it gets a strength bonus). It's still an objectively awful ship though, since frigate cap warfare mods are only useful against other frigates in a 1v1. The Ashimmu is pretty godawful as well, being objectively inferior to the Vigilant in just about every respect.

It's close to what I use, and it is objectively awesomesauce when used in the right way against the right target. Problem is that it simply does not measure up when compared to the Dramiel or Daredevil you could have been flying at the same (or even less) price.

Give the Cruor a 4th mid so it can stay capstable, and/or a 4th lowslot and grid/cpu for 400 plate so it can tank when it is inevitably primaried.

Sentinel already does that, neuts more and farther, does more damage with its drones, and has a TD bonus. We don't need the Cruor to be a worse Sentinel.

@Petrus Blackshell - This assessment looks pretty good overall but I'd place more emphasis on how much the worm and firetail suck. I'd thought maybe between the ASBs and the Drone Amps that the worm would viable but its still just weak imho. The firetail... I don't even treat it like a faction frigate anymore with the new frigate buffs. It's just an expensive t1 and trust me when I say I've tried to make it work.