EVE General Discussion

Well i would like to start this topic and share my point of view on some facts.

Some facts we all see in game:

1) CCP decided to pull investigations about bots running Eve to players by making "report bot" button.
Since that time all they do is investigation of reports of those who pushed that button no matter if they are correct or not.
Imagine yourself checking 9000 reports every day. Would u have time to actually solve the problem?

What are consequences?

1) CCP is bussy checking thousands of false reports while true bots make billions of isk ruining our game experience

2) CCP made player base responsible of moderation bot issue. Lets be honest i have seen just 1 of 100 times situation when player "reported" another players as bot.
In other way we all pay isk or buy from legal sources plexes to continue playing Eve Online to become moderators and get our game experience about Eve Online to do what CCP should do instead of US

3) You can find bot in every system of Eve Online universe. There is minimum 1 bot in every system 24h per day. In most systems - more than 20 ( suggest travel to deep 0.0 areas - it is not accident that every 0.0 alliance fight in border of low sec to prevent players appear in their territories)

4) I see increased amount of bot/RMT activity in all Eve Universe

5) i see decreased amount of players in Eve Universe who see current effort (no effort?) CCP of fight against bots in Eve Universe

All those are FACTS.

Question to player base and CCP.
1 How you see situation with bots on your own?
2 Is there going to be any change in current CCP policy against bots.
3 Do you personally care that most boting players got endless amount of isk and they do not care to loose ships while you got problems to get isk for anything.
4 How long alliances will be allowed to get isk from bot activity for " ship reimbursement" programs? Considering all current 0.0 alliances are doing this (tip.: it is just a matter of hiding and "washing" isk gained by bots for example: renting, solo kills of ibis with 200 plexes, lotteries and way more)
5 is Eve becoming better or worse in your eyes?

If the nullsec alliances are really funding their empires using automated bot programs I wish I could use those same tools to farm isk and make pvp as painless for me as it is for them. It doesn't seem right that they have access to billions in resources which apparently they farm via hundreds of players and automated programs while people like me have to grind our asses off just to make a pittance. Then to top it all off they lobby for changes to highsec in order to make it even less profitable in order to force even more players into their part of the sandbox to farm even more isk for them.

I've heard many a person on here chant the mantra "risk vs reward", and yet it seems that many of the people saying this are making huge amounts of isk with little to no risk, while people like me are expected to take relatively high amounts of risk for only minimal rewards, which is almost ironic considering that they claim highsec players aren't taking enough risk, when their vast wealth and resources ensure hardly any risk for them.

Hisec is full of missioning bots, because L4s make so much ISK.

Which I was under the impression people were banned for using.
And I would wager my implants a fair chunk of those bots are nullsec alts, farming highsec because they don't want to use too many bots in their own backyard and draw attention to themselves.

No that's stupid, try again.

Ohhhhh that's a rookie mistake. Thanks for playing though.

Do you have any evidence to suggest said nullsec bot use? Did you see the OP present any evidence of nullsec bot use?

CCP has said that, last time they did a big bot sweep, the Forge had the highest number of bots, followed by 11 other HS regions, while all of Nullsec had fewer bots than the Forge did.

Did you ever consider the possibility that the OP might be wrong?

http://d35dgn2pdc8wsn.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/01.jpg

botting is a highsec problem

You seem to have confused yourself between FACTS and OPINIONS.

1. You have spies planted inside CCP offices? how did you know what are the exact methods they're using?
2. No one is forcing you to post a report, it's a choice. CCP is not a bunch of wizards and mindreaders, hardware and software have their limits, the report feature is one way to fill the hole.
3. First; there are empty systems, always. Second; "we" don't fight in lowsec borders, if we do, it's not because we want to prevent people from entering and reporting bots. Third; Have you ever been to nullsec? seriously? there are always, always people wandering around in null, there is no way to completely quarantine a pocket/zone in nullsec that nobody else can enter 23/7, be it corpmates, friendles, neutrals, enemies or just some random dude.
4. Oh really? you have suddenly developed a sixth sense from your days of observation of Eve bots? How would you know? seeing something, over and over again (assuming it's really a bot), does not mean it increases in numbers. I don't think even CCP knows about the exact numbers or whether they actually increase in numbers or not, heck I don't even think anyone knows.
5. This is a highly biased opinion. Also, once again; stating something as facts doesnt mean they are.

1. I believe CCP is handling the situation, however they want to handle it.
2. -
3. Yes and no. I'd probably gonna be quite pissed to see people playing with bots, I've seen MMOs go down in flames because of the devs incompetency of handling them. Then again, it's up to the devs and I still believe CCP is doing the best they can. For the second part, a lot of people I know don't really care about losing subcap ships, even expensive ones, even I don't care, to an extent. Which means, caring about losing ships is not all about the isk, it's also about mentality.
4. You are speculating about the "all aliances" part and making generalization that alliances = players/members of an alliance and how naive to think that members of an alliance won't report their own when they found a botter. Players are players, whether they live in null, low or hisec. You also seems to forget that alot if not most of the people who actually care about Eve and it's future, lives in nullsec.
5. Neither.

Interesting picture. Did they mention what kind of bots they found? mining/icemining/ratting/others ?