EVE General Discussion

infomorph skill gives multiple clones, perhaps if they were easier to create without farming forever in high sec for the standing top install them.

also what is the actual difference with activities in low sec vs high sec?

slightly better asteroids, slightly better missions, slightly better exploration, all slightly better but with no concord protection and barely any help from sentry's on gates and stations. Also if you shoot first on a neutral you loose status which will land you locked out of high sec, and its very slow to gain this back heck if you are +5.0 and shoot a few neutrals you loose WEEKS worth of high sec ratting, no wonder the bears stay where they do and fight (not literally sadly) over the scraps, in the safe zone.

LOL for the "WEEKS worth of high sec rating"

If you are in between -5 and -8 all you need is a couple hours rating in null to get back to high sec, indeed it's very tedious and horribly balanced because needs some :effort:

The answer to your problem is already there for years, NPC null regions. Just move there and stop complaining, you don't need to grind for SS any more.

Ive lived in low sec for 5 years, first as a mission runner, then as a part time pvper and mission runner then FW. Ive always kept my sec at a level i required for high sec or to avoid being an outlaw. I know what im talking about, im not a bear.

My post was to point out that a bear thats been missioning in high sec has +5.0, just aggroing somone will drop that 5 to a +4.5, killing somone even more. Thats "only" 0.5-1 sec, but if i kill someone at -4.0 i only loose 0.1 or 0.2. I can gain that back in half the time as the bear, however, since its a sliding scale, that bear actually have 20-50x as much ratting to do, to get back to his +5.0.

That is one aspect of the bears love high sec mentality, ontop of the dirty pirates everywhere on every gate (apparently) and the **** poor isk increase in low sec.

Thats alot going against those who have been in high sec too long.

*also not complaining, just throwing light on some aspects that havnt been discussed yet*

I can say that I fell into these myths for a long time myself...

When I first started EVE it was what everyone told me: go to low-sec and you'll die right away. So I stayed away from it best I could. I ventured in a few times to go ratting and ended up getting killed (though not on a gate). That made me think maybe this myth wasn't 100% on, but I still kept my distance.

After I while I moved into a wormhole with a static low-sec and was forced to go through it whenever I needed to get back to kspace. I soon realized that was, indeed, just a myth. I flew through countless system where I was the only one in system, or there were just a few people and even then nobody was on the gates.

I've flown through Rancer and Amamake and haven't had problems (though I've lucked out in some cases and flown into the camp and not out). The camps are there, you can't deny it, but they aren't on EVERY gate in EVERY system. I've even gone into low-sec looking for PVP just to end up saying "Dang, nobody is even in this system".

Of course this can all depend on where you are. There are gatecamps in High Sec (when you are at war, or somebody wants you cargo, etc.) and there are empty systems in High Sec just like in low and null. You can be killed in High, nothing will prevent that if somebody really wants to you dead.

I f you're friends with d-scan, local and you have a good head on your shoulders there no reason you should really have to worry.

Some ppl want to build an empire some want to live in one and some just want to be left alone. I think EVE offers various possibilities for all parties. Balancing Risk/Reward/Effort across them is another topic though.

The low sec myths are just that.

I was mining in Tama in my Osprey mining cruiser and not only were there PLENTY of really great rocks, but the locals even helped me haul my ore to the station. Good times.

I drove through Detroit, the roads are fine. I don't get why people say the economy there is in the toilet. It looked fine to me.

I'm actually a pretty big fan of the sec-loss mechanic, from personal experience and from corpies complaining it's a pretty successful disincentive to killing/podding everyone in sight if you're trying to watch your sec.

Even better, you get virtually no sec hit (only for aggression) if the target shoots back, which means you're almost always fine when soloing against targets that can put up a fight. The only ones who take big sec hits are gang players who don't get shot by the people they're ganking. Keeping better than a -2.0 with only aggression sec hits is trivially easy.

Plus when I'm watching sec it results in me following new players around to try to gank people ganking them rather than going after them myself, which is nice emergent gameplay. Of course sooner or later I get bored, shoot them, and go -10, but what can you do.

I quite agree on this, the Help-Channel - which is probably the second adress for any newbie in Eve (after rookie channel, I suppose), is full of that "Avoid going into Low-Sec, you´ll get OMGWTFPWNED immediately!!!one eleven!!!!11!"-kind of "advise".

You want to change that? Go and hang out there and give a more realistic POV. Rest of you as well.

No insult indended but I usually see only one or two guys in Help-Channel who at least TRY to debunk the low-Sec myths that are so common there.

While the danger of lowsec is certainly a myth (It's pretty empty) - I would hate for it to be busted. Early on in the game I remember being real proud of myself for going to lowsec. It seemed dangerous and it was more fun. You need this when you're a newb, or you run a couple of missions and then say "Really? That's Eve?" and quit.