Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I would argue that all ships cruiser and above should have minimum of a 25m3 drone bay. The Belli should be able to fit a flight of light drones and that's it.

Bear in mind that bc's have full sets of lights or meds as standard and even that i think is unnecessary where as the tier3 bcs have non besides gallente i think this is direction we should go in general.
Give people a reason to fly drone boats more i feel like minnie is getting too much drone ability across the board if you look at the models and the whole minnie are meant to be more fragile and hashed together ships with whatever they could find i think drone bays are a little out place really to a large extent they are already the fastest ship now they are taking away the drone advantage gallente have.

Tier 3´s spelled doom for the ECM cruiser, imo. THey get popped fast at long ranges. Especially the Blackbirds.
Would see more use, if they got a little more durability on the battlefield, while maybe nerfing the ECM potential, maybe.
Would result in needing a few more of them to be effective in ECM, and they wont die in the first minute of the fight.
We have to remember that they usually operate outside of the logi support, which makes them more vulnerable etc.

But looks good with the new stuff. Hope it helps.

How about for ecm they work against missiles reducing their flight time and ex velocity... So turn ecm in to td but for missiles...

The ship I am most interested in is the Omen.

-Liang

Fozzie, what about some Faction/Pirate Frigs/Cruisers? The Sansha ones are awful to begin with.

Stabbers the one im looking forward to most aswell, come on baby more mids AND lows, and soem killer speed

I'm sorry, but if you think it's a Paper thin setup on a Belicose because the 4 lows were dedicated to dps, you don't get the point. You can still get this thing upwards of 40,000-50,000 ehp with a bonus ship and still around 500 dps.

I mean do I literally have to theory craft every fit for you just to show you the variety of ways that this is not a good idea?

575 powergrid +25% skill + 15% RC + 10% ancillary = 909 PG. That's easily enough to fit 2 large shield extenders, and a Damage control + 2 slots left for resistance and rigs to boost shielding quite high. Added to the fact that you have high drone + HAM damage you can get 475 DPS just with skills alone. Add in overheating, implants, or other variety of options that ******* rich *people* like me might do, you can see how this quickly gets OP....

It's just as troubling to me as the fact that you're giving the Arbitrator a 93.28% possible TD effect where 1 TD can basically completely shut down any ship it get's put on with no possibility of failure at crazy long ranges of effect no less.

I mean, does it make sense that a 250km range rokh can be brought down to 17km optimal by 1 module on one ship from 130+ km away?

You guys don't even get that the only reason TD and sensor dampening are considered weak is because jamming is so god awful overpowered. If you'd just nerf jamming, the other modules with maybe a few tweaks to the optimal of SDs would be pretty powerful to use. Right now, they just suck by comparison.


EDIT: Snipped a word out there, we don't use language like that here. And remember to post sensibly, thank you - ISD Type40.

Wow, this thread has gone off in some odd directions. EWAR cruisers should **** up some aspect of your ship. So complaining about 90% TD or 80% damps, really? Specialized ships should cause headaches. Where the current ewar modules are imbalanced is that ecm boats are the only ones that matter. Basically any Joe can fit a damp, TD, or painter and be effective, but fitting an unbonused even racial ecm module is very ineffective. This should change. The base modules for damps, TD, and Painter could use a slight nerf and then the bonuses on the specialized boats could be increased to 10% or more to bring their effects over their current in-game values.

I hate ecm but I recognize the necessity of having something in the game to combat rr-ing. What we really need are stronger combatting mechanics against ecm. The strength of an eccm module could use a slight boost. Or skills could be introduced to bonus the use of eccm. Also, the effect of the jam could be reduced to less than the cycle time on the module. This might allow a ship without eccm to reaquire lock and get a volley off or drones activated again before another jam cycles on it destroying it's lock once again.

As for damps, anyone trying to range damp a logi could be doing it wrong. They get decent locking range. And they often are sitting right with the ships they rep. So a 40% range damp often will not meaningfully affect them tbh. Scan res is what you want to use for damping logis. It won't break a lock, but the next ship to broadcast for reps will take that logi a longer time to lock. The lock and reps may not cucle in time to save the ship that broadcasted.

TDs have recently become a problem. All the new Caldari frigates blessed with midslots are fitting a prop mod, asb or extender, point (maybe), and TD. An unbonused TD is very strong. An armor turret boat can be pretty well screwed by a caldari shield tanking boat atm. I see nothing wrong if it is an amarr tech I ewar boat that does that, but any old ship having a huge effect with an unbonused ewar module is wrong. Also, I think TD range should be reworked to be similar to damp and painter. So that it has long falloff and shorter optimal. The complaint from ecm pilots is that other ewar always hits (as long as they lock, heh) and it is somewhat valid. The big balncing factor, especially with damps is that they often are being applied in falloff.

Ditto for painters. Why even bother bringing a dedicated painter boat to a fleet when you can get almost the same effect with a random boat with a spare midslot.

So, Fozzie, consider a slight nerf on the non-ecm ewar modules and then bonusing the dedicated boats to 10% or more. The values don't matter a whole lot as long as the new effect of a module on the boat built for that module will come out stronger than they are now.

As for the stats listed in the OP, I think the Bellicose should lose some dronage. Back to 40 or even less. Afterall it will now have 4 launchers. Precision light missiles might need a range boost (unlike precision heavys and cruises). Then the above argument that a fast frig can laugh at light (presumably non-precision) missiles won't hold. And increase the lock range to 50 or 55.

The Celestis optimal bonus is not what is needed. Just import the cap use reduction bonus from the new Maulus to replace the optimal bonus. I have found the Celestis running into cap problems more than the Maulus. A medium mwd, two or more damps, and a shield hardener is a huge cap drain. If the damps drained less then celestis would be more viable. Alternately, up the capacitor capacity on the ship and make the range bonus on the damps a falloff bonus and not an optimal bonus. Lock range should be 70. And lastly, get rid of the launchers on the Celestis. Make it fit rails. The same could be done with the Lack and we can get rid of the Roden backstory.

The new bb does not need drones. It needs a reduced lock range, 75k would keep it best in class, but 85 is just too much. And of course see the possible indirect or direct nerfs to ecm I suggested above.

The arbitrator needs a 60 km lock range. Drop the lancher and give it another turret. And please consider introducing new rigs for TDs, Damps, and Painters that would increase falloff only for these mods. If these mods are to gain range it should always only be falloff. And, again, nerf the base effects on TD and nerf the base optimal, then increase the bonus on the TD boats and increase the falloff. TDs in a fleet situation should be operating in falloff like the damps and painters.

No, I'd disagree with this to the extent that once jammed you have no say in the matter regardless of how you fly; damped and you can approach the target to get under the effect. Basically 1 mod has no counter except the eccm mod/implant which serves no other purpose whilst the other is countered by sensor boosting mods which do have another very useful and widely used function as well as a piloting option. The 2 are quite incomparable in my opinion.

Edit: Also, as previously noted, without seeing the modifications to ecm/td/rsd it's not possible to have a meaningful discussion about these ships, but as they stand with current mod stats then ecm is as unbalanced as current, td's are stupidly strong and rsd will remain unused for the most part.