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ISK Increase linear or prgressive ?

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Shanara As
Psy Corp Ltd.
#1 - 2012-09-11 10:14:56 UTC
Hey there,

i trained this char just for trading and catch myself more times than i can count
that this is the one i invest the most time into.

I just do station trading, exclusively.
I started with 50 Mill my main gave to this toon.

I have well over 2 Bill now.
I might be missing something or my percetion is flawed, but I read before on the forums that once you get enough capital to work with, the growth is almost exponentially.

for me though, its kind of linear. slowly but steadily i keep rakin in, but not as much as others report and seem to
earn.

do I have to look into "other streams of income" to get that same growth rate, or do i have to really have to read up on "economics 101" ??

i mean if i would do something fundamentally wrong i wouldnt have earned 2bill by now, right ?

seriously, I am looking for help to boost income.
please don´t advice me to start scamming, becaue although I love to read those in local I am not interested in the reputation that goes with it :-)

thanks in advance
regards
Shanara

"Gotta spend money to make money" "A fool talks, a wise man listens" "He who doesn´t wanna listen, talks the most"

Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#2 - 2012-09-11 10:31:50 UTC
Depends what you're doing.

Just buying more stock of the same things probably won't increase your return.

Expanding into new markets with your profit, while keeping the older ones ticking over, may.


Also depends how you're thinking about it. You probably won't see a higher % return. But that's the same % on a far higher value.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter

Shanara As
Psy Corp Ltd.
#3 - 2012-09-11 10:35:53 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Depends what you're doing.

Just buying more stock of the same things probably won't increase your return.

Expanding into new markets with your profit, while keeping the older ones ticking over, may.


Also depends how you're thinking about it. You probably won't see a higher % return. But that's the same % on a far higher value.



might be. as the surroundings change, as does the perception.

ok then, lesson learned. expanding it is. oh boy, another construction site just emerged....

*sigh*

gotta read up more on constrcuction, research, invention and that kind of stuff then.

or are there other things that go better together with trading ?
strange...feels like i am asking almost the same questions over and over again....

"Gotta spend money to make money" "A fool talks, a wise man listens" "He who doesn´t wanna listen, talks the most"

Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#4 - 2012-09-11 11:12:48 UTC
Well, manufacturing isn't a bad way to supplement your income. Though I'd suggest you spread it across all the alts you can. and get supply chain management as soon as possible.

Building stuff away from hubs is the easiest way to find empty slots. Or go into T2 manufacturing, and use some spare space in your POS for manufacturing arrays. Yes, it costs, but you'll be running one anyway. And a 25% boost to your isk/hr isn't to be ignored.

Small manufacturing POS: you're talking around a 4 million a day cost to run it. which is around 166,000 isk per hour. So if you have a single manufacturing array (6 slots, say), that's less than 30k per slot. for a 0.75 modifier to time. So if you make more than 120k isk/hr with the POS modifier, you're making a profit with it (unless my math is /completely/ off). Of course, a small POS can support far more than a single manufacturing array.


Though you do make your POS a trifle more interesting to people. More stuff to drop.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter

Shanara As
Psy Corp Ltd.
#5 - 2012-09-11 11:20:21 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Well, manufacturing isn't a bad way to supplement your income. Though I'd suggest you spread it across all the alts you can. and get supply chain management as soon as possible.

Building stuff away from hubs is the easiest way to find empty slots. Or go into T2 manufacturing, and use some spare space in your POS for manufacturing arrays. Yes, it costs, but you'll be running one anyway. And a 25% boost to your isk/hr isn't to be ignored.

Small manufacturing POS: you're talking around a 4 million a day cost to run it. which is around 166,000 isk per hour. So if you have a single manufacturing array (6 slots, say), that's less than 30k per slot. for a 0.75 modifier to time. So if you make more than 120k isk/hr with the POS modifier, you're making a profit with it (unless my math is /completely/ off). Of course, a small POS can support far more than a single manufacturing array.


Though you do make your POS a trifle more interesting to people. More stuff to drop.



i am actually throwing the idea of my own POS around in my head for a loong long time.

But, since I don´t want to deal with exactly the thing you just wrote (people who wanna blow **** up for ***** and giggles)
and the following
politics and diplomacy
metagaming (oh no, its 0.0)
paying rent for a system / moon slot and get nothing for it except not getting killed, but get treated like **** by even the ones i am paying the rent to
and generally just being in the situation of having to deal that basically ALL of space is already taken (what a VAST universe eve once was)

i never followed through.....

i am toying with the idea of a small Highsec pos, but for that i simpy lack the standings....

"Gotta spend money to make money" "A fool talks, a wise man listens" "He who doesn´t wanna listen, talks the most"

Denal Umbra
Coffee Hub
#6 - 2012-09-11 12:03:25 UTC
There are people who run standing boost services so that you can set up a pos in highsec without having the standings yourself. Check out the Wants and Adds or Sell orders sub forums here.

Also, remember that you can keep the bpos inside a station in the same system and only need to move the materials to the pos
Shanara As
Psy Corp Ltd.
#7 - 2012-09-11 12:06:52 UTC
Denal Umbra wrote:
There are people who run standing boost services so that you can set up a pos in highsec without having the standings yourself. Check out the Wants and Adds or Sell orders sub forums here.

Also, remember that you can keep the bpos inside a station in the same system and only need to move the materials to the pos




i was thinking to start with a small one just for Lab-work....
is a corporation hangar a must for the usage of a POS ? or ist that just a waste of cpu and power for that purpose ?

"Gotta spend money to make money" "A fool talks, a wise man listens" "He who doesn´t wanna listen, talks the most"

Denal Umbra
Coffee Hub
#8 - 2012-09-11 12:17:52 UTC
Depends really. You can use it to keep the fuel / datacores on a research pos. It's quite cheap anyway and fits without taking up any needed cpu.

But, play around with a pos planner somewhere online and see what you would like to have there. A Basic research pos usually has a mobile lab + 2x advanced labs for 7 me/pe/invention slots.

http://eve.1019.net/pos/

for instance
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#9 - 2012-09-11 12:21:51 UTC
Far from a must.

And TBH, a component array is generally better too. slightly smaller storage, half the power requirement.

And if you're just using it for research, no need at all.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter

Barakach
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-09-11 13:38:08 UTC
I find it to be percentage based and not linear. The percentage slowly drops over time, but not rapidly.

Margin Trading with aggressive reinvestment will give high revenue and allow you to scale very well into high capital before your income per unit of time starts to plateau.
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-09-13 01:36:03 UTC
Shanara As wrote:
Denal Umbra wrote:
There are people who run standing boost services so that you can set up a pos in highsec without having the standings yourself. Check out the Wants and Adds or Sell orders sub forums here.

Also, remember that you can keep the bpos inside a station in the same system and only need to move the materials to the pos




i was thinking to start with a small one just for Lab-work....
is a corporation hangar a must for the usage of a POS ? or ist that just a waste of cpu and power for that purpose ?


Not for a research POS. The labs have small amounts of storage for blueprints.
Stigman Zuwadza
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-09-13 03:18:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Stigman Zuwadza
I station traded til my monthly income was around 2b a month, from there it seemed to cap at that point. This may of been due to the time I had and that I couldn't squeeze any more out of it. At the time I only traded through 2 hubs (not Jita), if I'd maybe expanded to a couple more hubs (still not Jita) then I could probably have extended my income some more. This would also of opened up the opportunity for some inter-region trading ...which I did between Rens <--> Hek (6 jumps). I imagine being familiar in more than a few hubs you could probably find some great opportunities.

I've since moved onto Invention/Manufacturing/Selling my shiz, this now provides a double-digit billion income but it does require a little more of my time but maintaining it overall is probably easier than the station trading was (for me anyway).

A couple of people have mentioned using a POS, my feeling is ...stick with NPC stations initially. I invent/manufacture in hisec and copy in lowsec. Until such a time that my operation is pretty slick and I'm able to take advantage of the faster build times of a POS, a POS provides no real advantage as it will just sit idle for short periods.

In the future I do intend on some POS usage but it will likely be for RE (Reverse Engineering) and T3 production.

But the most important thing is READ, READ, READ. Research anything that springs to mind and be able to plan it all out without spending a single isk (if possible). Blink

Fly safe. o7

It's broken and it's been broken for a long time and it'll be broken for some time to come.

TornSoul
BIG
#13 - 2012-09-14 17:02:31 UTC  |  Edited by: TornSoul
Shanara As wrote:
I read before on the forums that once you get enough capital to work with, the growth is almost exponentially.

for me though, its kind of linear. slowly but steadily i keep rakin in, but not as much as others report and seem to
earn.


Definitely not exponential - Only (somewhat) in the "mid-game". Eventually you hit a glass-ceiling.

Your (percentage) profit will rather look close to something like this : Random google image : cumulative binomial distribution



Have a look at 1% profit/month glass ceiling ? as well