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frig changes rock because: CAPACITOR is actually decent
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Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-09-14 12:28:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Muad 'dib
As title, they all get as much cap regen as a punisher, yes even the condor has great cap and ofc they all get that nifty 80% tackle cap reduction ontop!

Its about time we saw better capacitor on all ships!! Cap is life, cap boosters arnt great with small cargos or lack of mids.

Using all your slots for normal, non hungry modules, you should be able to do that forever, its a spaceship it was designed to do that. Megathron caps itself out just firing its guns with 2 damage mods on! never mind mwd, reps, tackle, nuets etc

More cap for everyone! \o/ (please)

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Daneel Trevize
Give my 11percent back
#2 - 2012-09-14 13:21:08 UTC
No, much more cargo hold for active tankers, thanks.
It's not like it does them any good when there's more dps than they can tank anyway.
Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#3 - 2012-09-14 13:31:42 UTC
Only thing is that the ships that DO use cap for their guns get the exact same cap recharge as the ones that don't. Which equates to "you don't get to run the same modules while shooting stuff because **** you!". Slightly higher base cap doesn't mean much if running MWD+point+lasers eats your cap dry much faster than, say, using projectiles.
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-09-14 13:35:51 UTC
Vilnius Zar wrote:
Slightly higher base cap doesn't mean much if running MWD+point+lasers eats your cap dry much faster than, say, using projectiles.


and what im saying is that these new buffed frigs work great because their cap isnt dry in seconds like the old versions.

Yes laser and hybrid hulls should get more recharge, but the point is a healthy recharge is missing from MANY eve ships and could do with some love.

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Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-09-14 15:03:12 UTC
CCP Y U POWER CREEP

I should buy an Ishtar.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#6 - 2012-09-14 16:16:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
The Condor's capacitor (specifically) is pretty nuts compared to its cap requirements. I feel compelled to fly the Condor against anything that goes slower than ~3.5km/s. It's fantastic against slower ships like AB frigates, destroyers, BCs, and battleships. :)

The Executioner tends to work better against faster ships. I feel like the Atron and Slasher are kinda weak in comparison to those two.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Metal Icarus
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#7 - 2012-09-14 16:18:58 UTC
Sansha loves OP's post....
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-09-14 16:19:48 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
The Condor's capacitor (specifically) is pretty nuts compared to its cap requirements. I feel compelled to fly the Condor against anything that goes slower than ~3.5km/s. It's fantastic against slower ships like AB frigates, destroyers, BCs, and battleships. :)

The Executioner tends to work better against faster ships. I feel like the Atron and Slasher are kinda weak in comparison to those two.

-Liang


dont you think the crow is left in the shadows wondering why it has one less mid, less recharge and no tackle bonus, i think it was a little insensitive to improve wasted t1 ships so nicely and forget about their T2 hulls.

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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#9 - 2012-09-14 16:21:55 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
The Condor's capacitor (specifically) is pretty nuts compared to its cap requirements. I feel compelled to fly the Condor against anything that goes slower than ~3.5km/s. It's fantastic against slower ships like AB frigates, destroyers, BCs, and battleships. :)

The Executioner tends to work better against faster ships. I feel like the Atron and Slasher are kinda weak in comparison to those two.

-Liang


dont you think the crow is left in the shadows wondering why it has one less mid, less recharge and no tackle bonus, i think it was a little insensitive to improve wasted t1 ships so nicely and forget about their T2 hulls.


They aren't forgetting about the T2 hulls. But yes, the Crow is specifically left in the Condor's dust.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-09-14 16:22:27 UTC
i should re state this is a praise thread, for giving ships that have a role the cap they need to do it, id really like to see a re balance of all non sub caps capacitor in the same way.

Also hoping the winter patch ship adjustments will reflect the same sanity to the proposed cruisers and such.

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-09-14 16:31:58 UTC
Next thing they should do is to add more CPU/PG to Minmatar/Gallente ships.

Tach Maels... would that just be best ship ever?
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-09-14 16:40:32 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Next thing they should do is to add more CPU/PG to Minmatar/Gallente ships.

Tach Maels... would that just be best ship ever?


LOL

Makes you wonder why ccp made capacitor so bad in the first place. When ever i talk about ships and balance its always with all lvl 5s. I remember the days when i had 2 mil sp and barley anything worked for more than a few minutes, if i was lucky!

Clearly capacitor needs a buff, these frigs make a really excellent point.

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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#13 - 2012-09-14 16:43:03 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
i should re state this is a praise thread, for giving ships that have a role the cap they need to do it, id really like to see a re balance of all non sub caps capacitor in the same way.

Also hoping the winter patch ship adjustments will reflect the same sanity to the proposed cruisers and such.


Heck yeah man, this is one of the coolest patches ever. Looks like the next one is just going to make me swim in awesome ship deliciousness.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-09-14 16:44:37 UTC
its my form belief that when ccp made the EHP changes years ago, they forgot about reps and their cap use.

Its about time it was reviewed.

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Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2012-09-15 03:54:28 UTC
It was one of the big reasons some of the ships were completely useless ... afterall frig fights are fast but hey if you cap out in 20sec its not really good is it.

Loving the rebalance efforts being made ... never before viable ships can now be taken out with serious intent.
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#16 - 2012-09-15 09:51:25 UTC
Not sure how you can consider going from "damnit out of cap in 10 secs" to "lolololol I have infini-cap" as a good thing. Where is the skill if all it requires is to hit orbit + guns?

They should definitely have better cap than before, but going straight to the other extreme does as much harm to as leaving it alone .. the frig class is due to the fast/furious aspect one of the most player skill biased niches in Eve .. no amount of farmed gold or years of FoTM warfare will save you from the comparative noob if he happens to pilot his frig better than you.

In short: infini-cap should as a minimum require one cap specific module
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#17 - 2012-09-15 10:12:36 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
CCP Y U POWER CREEP

Because before now, these ships were nearly useless. Some things NEED a buff.

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Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-09-15 11:04:25 UTC
Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:
CCP Y U POWER CREEP

Because before now, these ships were nearly useless. Some things NEED a buff.

how useful does a t1 frigate need to be? don't forget, were alking < 1mil production costs here.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2012-09-15 12:33:34 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
I feel like the Atron and Slasher are kinda weak in comparison to those two.

-Liang


I miss my Atron's drone, that not-insignificant-DPS that was independent of orbit distance and traversal... *sigh*

it now joins its tech 2 brother, the Ares, and the Nemesis as the only gallente frigs not capable of fielding at least 1 drone
(poor moros drone bay too - losing the drone bonus was fine, but a token drone bay would have been nice just for racial "flavor", even if it was a lulz 5 m3 drone bay)
Ashera Yune
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-09-15 22:12:05 UTC
Minmatar Projectiles don't use cap, but are superior to blasters and to an extent superior to lasers in general performance.

Their ammo gives tracking bonus rather than capacitor reduction.

Minmatar ships have lost of powergrid, yet autocannons use less powergrid than any blasters or lasers.

Autocannons have range entirely in falloff, so there is no benefit of using weak long range ammo over strong short range ammo.

30% bonus to Autocannon range compared to 15% for other guns.

Projectiles are OP.

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