Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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I'm not 100% on board with "drones for everyone!" either, but here's a thought: If you're going to do that, give each race a role bonus that compensates for the deficiencies of their own drones. So, for example, an Amarr speed bonus to drones would make Warriors unmanageable, but it would make... uh... whatever the Amarr small drones are called more viable.

So basically, if you guys at CCP are determined to give everybody drones, at least try to diversify them (and maybe rebalance them). If they're going to be everywhere, we might as well get to see all of them in use.

(I'm trying not to be a bitter Vexor pilot. I really am.)

I'd like to bump this question.. As i don't really get it.

I would think minmatar ships should have a significantly worse capacitor than Amarr ships



Also i think the ships are to slow still.. Although i am guessing Ewar cruisers are going to be the slowest cruisers to make them easier to catch.. So i guess i would be ok with it if the combat/attack cruisers are significantly faster.

Do you think that 92% tracking disruptors and 78% RSDs are really a good idea? If not, you need to do something about warfare links. When even the Gallente info links are arguably overpowered, there's a real problem.

Warfare links, regardless of on grid or off grid, are overpowered as hell. Why do we have a ship providing +50% bonuses in a game where people train months for 2% more damage? I really hope we see links becoming nice to haves instead of must haves like they are becoming now.

I say this as someone with ~25M SP (and counting) invested in Leadership.

-Liang

I agree completely. I also think it's crazy that it's so cheap to get large link benefits, relative to, say, sticking deadspace hardeners, RF points or FN webs on your entire gang.

To make a quick summarize of the problems so far pointed out:

People are concerned the bellicose pure offensive power isn't in line with the other disruption cruisers
People are concerned the added drone bays deminish the gallante's traditional drone superiority

These problems are in my eyes completly warrented eg, in my post a few pages back, i compared the bellicose to the NAVY osprey, wich is a faction combat ship (or in previous line setup an assault line ship) no matter how you look at the bellicose its shown that the new proposed bellicose is somewhat a concern to most people.

Yes we still need to see the other ships and modules / mechanics redesigned, and yes it might be balanced out when those are released. However at this point im still concerned about the role of the bellicose.

All other disruption cruisers are a defensive sort where they disrupt one to a few ships at a time this means in fights where the disruption cruisers are outnumbered there effectiveness starts to deminish rapidly. The bellicose however has a complete reversed role. It increases a signature radius by 51.6% per target painter for the entire fleet. The bigger the fleet sizes get, the more effective the bellicose becomes.

To me this raises the question, should the bellicose really get a target painter bonus? In the Minmitar line of fighting should we not at least theorize switching the bellicose's bonuses to web bonuses?

+ >9000

The idea of one ship being able to simultaniously boost 200 others for the same benefit as boosting just 1 is utterly flawed.

Change links to the way logistics and any remote buffing operate - so that they either provide huge boosts to one ship or just slightest to a blob. Hooray, we fixed gang-links once and for all.

Yes, I once tried to use an AML Navy Osprey but found that the missiles weren't quick enough to actually hit an intelligently flown, fast frigate that wasn't just flying straight at me. They just ran out of flight time first.

But there's a difference between "take on" and "kill"...

Not exactly. The comparison is between damps and ECM. A kiting ship is just as hosed by damps as they are by ECM, with the difference being that in the case of damps they are hosed 100% of the time, whereas with ECM you are only screwed randomly -- and this assuming that the jamming ship has appropriate racial jammers and gets good rolls.

People percieve ECM to be more powerful because they cannot fire their weapons or even watch the fight. It's frustrating. The same player feels completely different about most of the other EWAR mods, even when the ultimate outcome is identical.

If, for example, ECM didn't shut off targetting, but instead rendered a ship's weapons unable to actually HIT, most players would feel 100% better about it. They would happily blaze away until they exploded and many wouldn't even know they'd been 'jammed.' You'd see threads complaining about overpopwered damps (which prevent targetting) and urging CCP to model them after the now balanced "new ECM." It's all about perception and frustration.

As it stands today, EWAR is a battle winner. ALL EWAR. Even modules you rarely if ever see used, such as remote tracking boosters, painters, and what not, make a huge difference.