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Why Ninja Salvaging should be considered an exploit
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Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#161 - 2012-09-14 04:38:56 UTC
don't shoot them and they can't shoot you.
you could always come back in a pvp ship and fight too
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#162 - 2012-09-14 04:43:25 UTC
Herping yourDerp wrote:
you could always come back in a pvp ship and fight too


And then their Falcon alt uncloaks at max jamming range...
Msgerbs
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#163 - 2012-09-14 05:20:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Msgerbs
CCP has stated at least 50 times that they don't consider salvage to be anybody's property.

Also:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Herping yourDerp wrote:
you could always come back in a pvp ship and fight too


And then their Falcon alt uncloaks at max jamming range...

This, unfortunately. Falcon is toxic to all types of gameplay.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#164 - 2012-09-14 08:46:02 UTC
Msgerbs wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Herping yourDerp wrote:
you could always come back in a pvp ship and fight too


And then their Falcon alt uncloaks at max jamming range...

This, unfortunately. Falcon is toxic to all types of gameplay.


Falcon isn't the issue, it's how its done. Falcon can be countered.

If I'm running missions and there's at least one other character from my corp in same system baiters usually start to hesitate because it's possible that they just can't press that iWin button.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#165 - 2012-09-14 10:09:39 UTC
Ninja Salvaging isnt very different to Ninja Misssion Item Looting

eg .. Your blowing up rats, they swoop in, blow up pleasure hub & loot the 'Damsel' and warp off.
they open a chat message
"wanna buy a Damsel 50m"





It's allowed. it's not an exploit. because they use valid ingame mechanics to accomplish it.


and yes. real Ninja's "swoop"
Doddy
Excidium.
#166 - 2012-09-14 10:17:26 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Herping yourDerp wrote:
you could always come back in a pvp ship and fight too


And then their Falcon alt uncloaks at max jamming range...


And gets concorded into the ground if it does anything? If you don't understand the mechanics don't bother poasting.
Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#167 - 2012-09-14 10:43:18 UTC
Easy way to deal with ninja looters that's fun as well.

When one comes into your mission, target your own cans and just as he get to one pop it. then rinse and repeat just as he gets to the next to a can pop it again, that way if you don't get the loot /salvage then no one will.

Also fun to see how many cans your victim will fly too before he gets bored/angry Lol (my record is 5 cans) then leaves or starts to target you in the hope that you will shoot him or if your lucky does shoot you then fun really starts : )



Tal

I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#168 - 2012-09-14 11:14:28 UTC
Doddy wrote:
And gets concorded into the ground if it does anything? If you don't understand the mechanics don't bother poasting.


When mission runner shoots at your ship your corp gets rights to attack that mission runner. Nothing will happen to your Falcon alt.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#169 - 2012-09-14 11:20:30 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD TYPE40
I am having issues with some people in this thread. *snip*

If a ninja steals from your can and you come back with a PVP ship... his friends cannot attack you. They might RR him but they cannot shoot at you until they turn red and you shoot them.

Now if you take from his can.. then yes all of his friends in the same corp can come and shoot you.

And for the morons that say if you shoot a ninja that steals from you his friends will gank you... you are morons to.



EDIT: Personal attacks removed. If you don't like someone, put them on ignore - ISD Type40.

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shar'ra matcevsovski
Doomheim
#170 - 2012-09-14 11:21:01 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:


When mission runner shoots at your ship your corp gets rights to attack that mission runner.


wrong m8, (grammar and content)

shar'ra phone home
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#171 - 2012-09-14 11:21:16 UTC
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
Learn to deal with them, either let them have your loot or fight them off. If you're worried about them not fighting a "fair" 1v1. Bring more guys to help you out. If you can't be bothered to deal with them with force, relocate and do missions in a quieter space.


^^This.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#172 - 2012-09-14 11:22:47 UTC
MetalDev wrote:
It seems a poorly balanced system where the people making their isk legitimately have absolutely no recourse or defense against having people blatantly steal from them


Ninja Salvagers are also legitimately making isk too.

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Signal11th
#173 - 2012-09-14 11:24:39 UTC
Renan Ruivo wrote:
OP, did you know that in 0.0 the ONLY way for you to make money to survive is to kill rats while there are no bad people in local ...

and that there are some bad people who will then decide to jump in those systems and stay there .. like ... forever? And cloaked, so that nobody can kill them?! Now people can't make money!!


So really ... there are far worse exploits to deal with!!



But that isn't an exploit. Not anyone's fault you either won't take the risk of ratting with an cloaky in system or can be bothered to set a trap for the cloaky.

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#174 - 2012-09-14 11:34:36 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
If a ninja steals from your can and you come back with a PVP ship... his friends cannot attack you.


Ninja can't shoot me either.

Cannibal Kane wrote:
And for the Morons that say if you shoot a ninja that steals from you his friends will gank you... you are morons to.


Why he would shoot that random mission runner if he (ninja) steals from his pirate friends (corp hangar?)?
Doddy
Excidium.
#175 - 2012-09-14 11:41:49 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Doddy wrote:
And gets concorded into the ground if it does anything? If you don't understand the mechanics don't bother poasting.


When mission runner shoots at your ship your corp gets rights to attack that mission runner. Nothing will happen to your Falcon alt.


100% wrong, like i say don't poast if you don't understand the mecanics.

If you fire on a thief then he and only he can fire back. His corp cannot make any agressive act without concord intervening. They can support, which is why logistics need to be looked out for. The only way the falcon can jam you is if you fire on it first. They will try to confuse you by getting the falcon flashy (either by supporting the thief in some way like rsb or by also stealing from your can/wreck) but he can do nothing to you until you agress him.

The only way the whole corp is going to be able to shoot you is if you take from thier can. Even then it is fairly simple to flip a can with a noob ship (who cares if they kill it) and then pick it up with another char that they can't touch.
Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#176 - 2012-09-14 11:57:05 UTC
Rats wrote:
Easy way to deal with ninja looters that's fun as well.

When one comes into your mission, target your own cans and just as he get to one pop it. then rinse and repeat just as he gets to the next to a can pop it again, that way if you don't get the loot /salvage then no one will.

Also fun to see how many cans your victim will fly too before he gets bored/angry Lol (my record is 5 cans) then leaves or starts to target you in the hope that you will shoot him or if your lucky does shoot you then fun really starts : )



Tal




This, don't get mad have fun

I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#177 - 2012-09-14 12:04:30 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
If a ninja steals from your can and you come back with a PVP ship... his friends cannot attack you.


Ninja can't shoot me either.

Cannibal Kane wrote:
And for the Morons that say if you shoot a ninja that steals from you, his friends will gank you... you are morons to.


Why he would shoot that random mission runner if he (ninja) steals from his pirate friends (corp hangar?)?



Reading isn't your strong point, but try reading what he actually wrote until you get it. It'll be worth the effort!

(I gave you a little helping hand)

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#178 - 2012-09-14 12:09:42 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Reading isn't your strong point, but try reading what he actually wrote until you get it. It'll be worth the effort!

(I gave you a little helping hand)


It was originally "thief that steals from his friends"... L2F5
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#179 - 2012-09-14 12:20:32 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Reading isn't your strong point, but try reading what he actually wrote until you get it. It'll be worth the effort!

(I gave you a little helping hand)


It was originally "thief that steals from his friends"... L2F5



And it magically changed itself in your quote too?

Interesting.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Verone
Veto Corp
#180 - 2012-09-14 12:22:04 UTC

One word : Sandbox.

If you don't like someone taking your stuff, be prepared to do something about it.






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