Player Features and Ideas Discussion

When every other post of yours insists that it is without overload or other bonuses, yes we do tend to move away from bonuses. I understand that you are frustrated by the fact that your fit is being dissected as the extreme niche fit that it is. But lashing out at people like a child throwing a tantrum is not the way to deal with the situation. Your fit is just not good for general use, and thus does not unbalance the game. Getting angry is not going to change that fact.

The irony, it burns.

Now, on a sidenote, I think the Celestis is still going to be a little weak. Gallente being the drone race and all, and Celestis being basically the "go to" e-war cruiser for Gellente in the next expansion, I was hoping to see a drone bonus somewhere in there. Hopefully it will happen on another cruiser besides the Vexor, which will pretty much remain similar from what I've read, if only to give Gallente some more identity.

i really think the answer has to be in ship bonus... we dont want a rsd on every ship like before the nerf...

10% per level and 20% to optimal range would make this a sick ship!

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so what you are looking at is a with skills a v

rsd optimal range: 90 km falloff 90km

with script 63.75 reduction in range or resolution

this gets better with rigs and all that other stuff...

this would make rsd pretty good and make it so they are only pretty good on specialty gal ships...

You. I like you.

Wow, with these new 7.5% bonuses we're getting back to pretty much old Arazu dampening you by -75% by each RSD. Apply 3 and nobody can lock anything even at 10 km. Heck, even 2 will do it for most cases.

Do you, Fozzie, really believe it's good for the game to have an option of rendering any given ship (bar supercaps, for sure - they are what real man fly and thus can not be touched) totally useless by such overwhelming EW modules?

Isn't this precisely the reason why ECM causes so much hate? Being able to establish lock is god damn CRUCIAL for basically anything you might want to perform. If you have no intentions of introducing a hard limit to what ships can be damped to (say, they always retain 30% of their base lock range), then you're pretty much failing at not making the game even harder for soloers - the concern you named recently.

Pls remove the mining yield ... replace by 10% speed drone bonus

You can use the thracking disruptor also againt Long range weapon like Arty etc with the optimal script.

That would be nice to increase a little the max targeting range 50 km to 60 km.

Don't forgot the tracking Disruptor is the only EW we use in short range and long range (depend the script you use ).

Exemple you can rush with optimal script and when your are in close range swith to the tracking script.

Pls increase the max targeting range.

Exactly.

I find it ironic that the folks who freak out over the random chance of a jam from a delicate and defenseless ECM boat have absolutely no concerns over a guaranteed jam from stacked sensor damps. Heck, most here seemingly want to make these things MORE powerful. The same illogic applies to to both Tracking Disruptors and Target Painters -- it's like many of the people posting don't realize just how powerful these modules already are.

I admit that ECM sucks when you are hit by it. EVERYTHING sucks when you are hit by it -- that's why they hit you with it in the first place. Welcome to Eve, where the folks who planned ahead always have an advantage over the folks who just decided to bring random ships and rely on luck.

Anyway, if I were to rank all the frustrating things that happen in game, ECM wouldn't even make the top ten.

not only. High efficiency against zealot, logistic etc

Looks very good, except for the drones on Bellicose.

Drones are the equalizer for Gallente ships, that mitigate the speed and range disadvantages to some extent. Giving all races equal drone capacity nullifies this aspect. In this case Amarr has best drones, which is ok as they are the other drone race, Minmatar and Gallente are equal. Drop Bellicose bay and b/w to 40?

Or maybe change the Celestis damp range bonus to drone bonus? Currently damps have already a very usable range even without additional modules or bonuses.

And for those comparing ECM and damps, consider the fact that an ECM ship can viably lock out several ships, while a single damp on a ship doesn't have that much effect, unless the targets are "snipers". Range damping can also be countered simply by moving closer, only way to escape jamming is to either kill the jammer, or get out of it's range. Both EWAR types have module counters as well.

While chance based, practical ECM fits tend to have high enough strength to land the jam very reliably.

if you read a few more pages you would see we had that conversation and this is the last part of that conversation.
but following on from my points about the bb's range bonus being OP perhaps you could replace it with a missile damage bonus so people would actually put HML's on it which means it wouldn't be the only one doing no dps.