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EVE, Alcohol, and other substances

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Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#81 - 2012-09-14 06:02:49 UTC
Salarc wrote:
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"Much of the disease burden and premature mortality attributable to tobacco use disproportionately affect the poor". Of the 1.22 billion smokers, 1 billion of them live in developing or transitional nations.

Rates of smoking have leveled off or declined in the developed world.[18] In the developing world, however, tobacco consumption is rising by 3.4% per year as of 2002.[17]

The WHO in 2004 projected 58.8 million deaths to occur globally,[19]:8 from which 5.4 million are tobacco-attributed,[19]:23 and 4.9 million as of 2007.[20] As of 2002, 70% of the deaths are in developing countries.[/quote]

From your own research and documentation on wiki regarding tobacco.

Did it occur to you that maybe there might be additional risks and health issues in those studies that may have contributed to those deaths? Diet? Nutrition? Living Conditions?

Probably not.

Given your experience and lifestyle as you've made the point of telling of it, I'd say you also have a biased opinion. More so than I do I imagine, as at least I'm willing to recognize the harmful effects of the toxins which I am subjecting myself to.

The problem is I'm addicted. Not much I can do about that, and I certainly had no idea it would be a problem or even harmful when I started. Not with any real understanding anyway. I was given my first cigarette when I was 8, and my first pack when I was just over 12 and didn't really know a thing about it for quite some time after.

Is it ironic that I avoided drugs in High school for the most part? Maybe. I did try mushrooms once when I was at a party, and I smoked a bit of marijuana, (and even inhaled), and drank a fair bit during those years. Of course, a fair bit for me is being thoroughly drunk and quite sick on maybe 3-4 occasions in my life.

Chances are, I tried a lot of other things I was never aware of and was never told about too.

Either way, 24 years of smoking is a lot and I'm quite aware of potential health effects resulting from it. I can feel the toxicity when I wake up in the morning, and to some extent during the day.

I never said it was good for you; just that it isn't worse than most things.

Maybe you should educate yourself about the crap you're doing instead of trying to educate me. It might seem nice to be blissfully ignorant of what you are consuming, but ultimately it's going to leave you wondering how you got where you are.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crack_cocaine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/meth/body/

Now, the irony is, your statement indicates that cigarettes are much worse than these and are attributed to so many death world-wide, yet how is it that the indication is that these 'safer' drugs you refer to so consistently cause the same effects over time in every user, where cigarettes addiction has different results and long term effects for each person using it?
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Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
#82 - 2012-09-14 06:11:53 UTC
I don't.

A lot of my corp mates do though for some reason.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#83 - 2012-09-14 07:18:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
Mars Theran wrote:
Saede Riordan wrote:
OP needs to smoke a J and chill out.


Yes just what I need. An irregular heartbeat, mental destitution, a flapping tongue, and disrupted brain function. Don't think so.
huh? If you are smoking pot and it gives you an irregular heartbeat, you are smoking cow ****. You are probably thinking that spice stuff which is truly crap.

I don't touch the stuff though, beer and bourbon is king.

me thinks your poostings is just to vindicates your smoking problems with teh pointings of fingers @ others Roll

I'm in it for the money

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Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#84 - 2012-09-14 07:23:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Oliver
Tea, meditation, and the occasional scotch coffee for me.

Funny thing about meditation, if you do it regularly enough you may find yourself very cranky if you skip a session. X
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#85 - 2012-09-14 09:35:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Anya Ohaya
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
Paul Oliver wrote:
Everytime I've tried to play this game drunk (twice) I just end up spinning my ship in the hangar and yappin away in a chatroom (everadio and FNA chat respectively). And as far as narcotics go the last thing I think I would wanna be doing if I were stoned is sitting on my ass staring at a screen (unless it's some really trippy mindfuck movie of course).

Honestly I find when I'm doing my space thing nothing beats doing it like a proper Picard with a thermos of hot tea.


We are not writing homo-erotic Star Trek Fan Fiction here, we are discussing drugs and alcohol. Have a nice day. Big smile


I don't think I'm doing drugs, but after reading this forum I'm not so sure.
Thullus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#86 - 2012-09-14 10:06:15 UTC
Mars Theran wrote:
Doddy wrote:
You smoke which is a more harmful and more expensive habit than most recreational drug habits, so what exactly is your point.



Lets get back to the 'most' bit.

You do realize that inexpensive drugs, (not including cheap pharmaceuticals, legals like Rush, cough syrup, mouthwash, or rubbing alcohol to name a few), are the minority don't you?

I've never purchased or even looked at the price of purchasing anything serious, but I do know people sink their entire wallets, (there bi-weekly pay short of rent if they don't forget), into fun for a night or a weekend that leaves them penniless and often starving until the next payday.

Most 'serious' drug addicts share accommodations with others and work out how to afford the rent between them. Non-taxpaying migrant laborers, (fruit-pickers around here mostly), have a group that has a 4 off; 2 on mentality, meaning 2 guys work for a couple days then come back and blow their collective pay on drugs and alcohol, while another 2 go out and work for 2 days and come back and do the same.

The whole group spends and average of 60% of their time for the duration of the season drunk and wasted or somewhere between high and low without settling on sober for long. They save none of it--afaik--on average and end up working to get back home because they can barely afford gas, or hitch-hiking and begging for food along the way to wherever they originated from or wherever they happen to be going.

Quite often they make an average of $20-25 an hour 6-10 hours a day, for when they are working.



This is one of the odder things I've read on these forums. All the symptoms you're describing in this section are of addiction, and not necessarily drug addiction. And you're not wrong in what you say below about the potential dangers of doing some of the harder drugs but you also seem to actively ignore the fact that there are plenty of fully functioning occasional drug users who lead successful and fulfilling lives.

It's a very black and white way to look at the world and totally ignores all the grey in-between.
Heian Galanodel
Shadow Legion Y
Seriously Suspicious
#87 - 2012-09-14 12:57:26 UTC
I've never ever had a drink, nor have I ever done any drugs and I'm proud of it! Big smile

"An acorn that is unafraid to destroy itself in growing into a tree."

-David Zindell, The Broken God (1992)-

Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#88 - 2012-09-14 13:05:05 UTC
ivv gundto agrees

i like tto little a drink went i playy its be cos losing shizzt suks bad and the boozz halps.

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smokeAjoint
Catch And Release Privateering
#89 - 2012-09-14 13:36:39 UTC  |  Edited by: smokeAjoint
Mars Theran wrote:
Saede Riordan wrote:
OP needs to smoke a J and chill out.


Yes just what I need. An irregular heartbeat, mental destitution, a flapping tongue, and disrupted brain function. Don't think so.


last time they checked me up they never seen such a relax hartbeat
mentaly i'm a sane person, mostly wen i'm stoned i can rationalize better
flapping tongue,.... nah wen i drik yes, wen i smoke no


tho starting with weed before your brain is fully developed (young age) is bad
same go's with alcohol

stop reading about stuff written by anti drugs propoganda buttmonkeys that don't know what they are talking about

i know smoking weed on a dayly bassis is not good
but that accounts for allot of stuff

i live in holland allot of people think it is legal here tho that is not the case it is tolerated
it should be legal tho.
if you forbid people to smoke A joint than you also should forbid people to drink alcohol

my 2 cents

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Crrrazy Ivan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#90 - 2012-09-14 14:18:04 UTC
Last time I got drunk I destroyed my Slave Clone. Thankfully CCP were kind enough to reimburse it Oops
Shang Fei
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#91 - 2012-09-14 15:11:01 UTC
People actually play this game without being intoxicated?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#92 - 2012-09-14 15:29:57 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
I drink cider as it makes up one of my 5 aday.


Lady Spank wrote:
Cider is my co-pilot


I read these in a Somerset accent, Cider country best country.

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Jim Era
#93 - 2012-09-14 15:32:37 UTC
I prefer to get a big wiff of jenk before I undock.

Wat™

Thomas Horan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2012-09-14 15:36:47 UTC
Mars Theran wrote:
Doddy wrote:
You smoke which is a more harmful and more expensive habit than most recreational drug habits, so what exactly is your point.



bwahaha.. who do you think you're kidding? Where did you get the notion that smoking was more harmful, (medical studies say weed is 40% more likely to cause Cancer than cigarettes, and that's just weed), and more expensive, (Costs me $300 a month or so, and I've known people to blow $1-200 in single night on alcohol before it cost 80% of the price of a pack of cigarettes for a bottle of beer at the bar, and that's just alcohol), than 'most' recreational drugs.

Lets get back to the 'most' bit.

You do realize that inexpensive drugs, (not including cheap pharmaceuticals, legals like Rush, cough syrup, mouthwash, or rubbing alcohol to name a few), are the minority don't you?

I've never purchased or even looked at the price of purchasing anything serious, but I do know people sink their entire wallets, (there bi-weekly pay short of rent if they don't forget), into fun for a night or a weekend that leaves them penniless and often starving until the next payday.

Most 'serious' drug addicts share accommodations with others and work out how to afford the rent between them. Non-taxpaying migrant laborers, (fruit-pickers around here mostly), have a group that has a 4 off; 2 on mentality, meaning 2 guys work for a couple days then come back and blow their collective pay on drugs and alcohol, while another 2 go out and work for 2 days and come back and do the same.

The whole group spends and average of 60% of their time for the duration of the season drunk and wasted or somewhere between high and low without settling on sober for long. They save none of it--afaik--on average and end up working to get back home because they can barely afford gas, or hitch-hiking and begging for food along the way to wherever they originated from or wherever they happen to be going.

Quite often they make an average of $20-25 an hour 6-10 hours a day, for when they are working.

Meth melts your brain, Crack kills and destroys all cognizant awareness as it destroys the brain, ******* destroys your heart and eats away the lining of your nasal passages, and various other things. Most people who use any of these regularly or even irregularly are quite possibly, and even somewhat likely, to die before they are 30, or even 20.

When was the last time you heard that about cigarettes? ..or compared the user of one to the user of the other with regard to social and psychological interaction and behaviors? You are aware that most young children addicted to meth end up developing sociopathic tendencies, and are considered violent and dangerous to all people around them?

The primary reason tobacco is as bad as it is, is because the 'Big Tobacco' companies put Benzene in it to keep cigarettes burning, (even when in the ashtray or presumably butted out in many cases), use insecticides and herbicides in the growing process, never clean the plants, but instead hang them to dry and spray them with more poisons during the curing process to keep the bugs and rats off, then begin to process the tobacco by adding various other toxins and poisons to 'enhance' the flavor and stuff like Benzene to make sure that people go through them faster, and nicotine of course, because they are not addictive enough as is, naturally.

Natural tobacco is just a leaf, a bit of smoke, some carbon dioxide and--depending on the burn--varying, but low amounts of Carbon Monoxide and nicotine, along with various other simple and common products of combustion.

..or to put it another way, natural tobacco is like a wood burning fire, and processed, manufactured tobacco is like a forge fire full of anthracite and no ventilation, if that makes more sense.

certainly it's shorter.

Crack and Meth are Drano and various other things. Some of the other stuff is bad in other ways, and I've heard people even like to drink anti-freeze.


Worse than most? No, but it is bad.


No, you are absolutely incorrect. Nicotine is the most lethal drug in the United States, with alcohol running a close second (and that's not including DUI accidents!). As a matter of fact, alcohol and tobacco are responsible for more deaths per year than crack, meth, and heroin COMBINED. Studies have shown again and again NO LINK BETWEEN CANNABIS USE AND CANCER. Even for very heavy smokers. The only thing that has been demonstrated to have a statistically significant relationship with cannabis use, in terms of harmful effects on the body's physiology, is lung irritation and bronchitis. There has not been a single (that's right not ONE) death that has been attributed solely to cannabis use. This "mental destitution" you are referring to is in fact the intoxication that people are looking for. It's called being high. The effects fade within several hours and only the heaviest smokers will have significant issues with short-term memory and motivation. Even those will fade away after a couple weeks of not smoking.

Nicotine is a very addictive drug and smoking cigarettes is ABSOLUTELY more harmful than smoking cannabis. This is common knowledge among people with an education in pharmacology or physiology. The connection between cigarettes and cancer is rock-solid. Also, considering that nicotine does NOTHING interesting to your consciousness (unlike cannabis and psychedelics), to me it seems you're the one with the stupid, pointless habit. Cannabis serves a thousand useful and medical purposes. It is one of the most effective anti-emetics on earth and is remarkably well-tolerated even by people with liver or kidney disease.

I believe you, sir, are the one who needs a bit more education on the subject. Also, what business of yours is it what other EVE players are drinking/smoking/snorting/shooting as long as it isn't affecting you a negative way?
Jim Era
#95 - 2012-09-14 15:39:46 UTC
Thomas Horan wrote:
lStudies have shown again and again NO LINK BETWEEN CANNABIS USE AND CANCER.


maybe?

Wat™

KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#96 - 2012-09-14 15:46:49 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Yup, nothing like shooting up while in a 2000 person fleet fight


You know, I may have my facts wrong here...but wouldn't it be difficult to rig up in a 2k blob fight.........oh that's right TiDi would be at 10% so you could prolly take your hit, nod out, and come back to find that your primary still hasn't locked.....let alone your secondary or tertiary. Lol

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.

Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#97 - 2012-09-14 15:47:23 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
I drink cider as it makes up one of my 5 aday.


Lady Spank wrote:
Cider is my co-pilot


I read these in a Somerset accent, Cider country best country.


DO NOT!...: pvp with a jug of real southern cider (the flat stuff that tastes like the offspring of; a great seasonal cider and copella pressed apple juice), before you know it you are singing on comms and getting podded 20 jumps from the gang you are meant to be with Lol

drunk and fly no, but a beer or two, glass of wine perhaps, very nice on a friday night.

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IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#98 - 2012-09-14 15:56:10 UTC
Wait, OP thinks smoking is less detrimental to health than illegal substances Lol
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#99 - 2012-09-14 15:59:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Muad 'dib wrote:


DO NOT!...: pvp with a jug of real southern cider (the flat stuff that tastes like the offspring of; a great seasonal cider and copella pressed apple juice), before you know it you are singing on comms and getting podded 20 jumps from the gang you are meant to be with Lol

drunk and fly no, but a beer or two, glass of wine perhaps, very nice on a friday night.


That sounds like farmhouse scrumpy to me, you strain it through your teeth, it's non carbonated and dissolves anything that falls into the barrel during brewing.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#100 - 2012-09-14 15:59:43 UTC
Jim Era wrote:
Thomas Horan wrote:
lStudies have shown again and again NO LINK BETWEEN CANNABIS USE AND CANCER.


maybe?

That methodology is so shoddy my 5th grade science fair project was more scientific.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)