Skill Discussions

Let's go with the easy answer: Flying a Supercapital without tying up your only character. There are other reasons to have multiple trained characters on a single account, but that's the most obvious one. Running production in Parallel is another. Being able to base freely out of multiple areas so that a quiet spell in your home area doesn't mean boredom is another.

You still have not at any point explained how it is anything but your choice to refuse to train half the available SP per character and 5/6th of the available SP per account. Nor have you explained how that choice is a problem for the game.

Let's say you're right that CCP wants people to specialize their training [Citation Needed, by the way]. Why haven't you, instead of spending 9 years creating a fantastically generalized character, specialized 3 characters in different areas? You can fill well over 100m SP on subcapital skills (more with leadership), around 100m SP on Industrial pursuits, and still have a third slot for a Titan pilot.

No, I didn't. Your preference for a high SP total on one character and resulting assumption that stopping training on your main is a bad thing is your choice.





In 3 years, you'll still have 200m SP available to train without switching character slots. That you're not particularly interested in that SP is not relevant.




I'm sorry, you have neither Logi nor Recon to 5. That's pretty terrible.

How is CCP heavily encouraging you to keep training one character to high SP totals when Clone costs specifically punish that behavior in favor of splitting your SP among the 3 character slots you have available? So lets not say things that aren't true.

There's about 420m SP worth of Skills. In 3 years, you'll still have around 9 years worth of SP to train. That better?

Not having Logi 5 means you can't Triage (or fly Logistics ships effectively). Not having Recon 5 is silly if you fly Recons (and why would you train ships if you don't fly them) with any regularity. If you're a SP collector, that's fine, but stop complaining that you're running out of SP to collect when you still have over a decade worth of SP left to collect.

That's actually not encouraging you to keep all your SP on one character. In fact, quite the opposite. The un-dockability of Titans and Supers discourages putting all your SP in one basket.

So, how is CCP encouraging you to keep training one character to hight SP totals when Clone costs punish that behavior, and undockable titans and Supers punish that behavior?



Ok fine, you have a DECADE total left to train before running out. Stop whinging that you're going to run out of things to train in a decade.



Except, as you've already mentioned, you're unwilling to fly Titans because of their inability to dock to allow you to change ships.

Consider however that even in that aspect, it's still better to have it concentrated in one char, as eventuallty, there's no need for learning implants and even hardwirings become pretty optional too, so between both of those, it can cost between 500 million+( minimum) to well over 1+ billion( learning implants + hardwires), each time the char is popped in combat, making the clone costs pretty cheap as i think they top out at 250 million for the best clone in game.



9 1/2 years considering right now, and i told you i have maybe 3 years of stuff i want to train up that actually has any relevancy to piloting ships, and even that depends a lot on the ship and the situation it finds itself at that time......The basics have been covered for a long time.




This is a what if scenario that i hope doesn't happen, but there's no way to be sure.....If i'm done with all ship related skills in game in 3 years, and CCP still hasn't released even more of them by that time, then the only thing left is to fly a titan and say that as far as personal objectives that interest ME, i've acheived everything i wanted to in this game after 12 years of training...


Heck, by then it'll have represented 1/4 of the time i've been on this earth in R/L....

I'm not saying anything of the sort....you're tthe one tthat went on the economic advantages of multiple chars when it comes to clones since they have less SP, but forgot about implants and hardwires costs... i'll soon enough have no need to worry about those even if i get popped, as the 150 million isk clone i currently have is enough to cover up to 264 million sp, wich funny enough is more than enough to cover what i want trained to lvl 5..




Well put it this way, if i'm even in a titan someday in the future, and stuck in it as you know since they can't dock, there are skills that mandatorily require me to be off the ship to make any use of them...Examples like the 60 out of the 61 skills in thre ship command tree, wich while fully completed, become totally useless in practical terms since i can't get out of the titan, and won't get another account.


So the big deal you continue to make about maxing all skills to lvl 5 and how important they seem to be, don't seem to make jack of a difference to what I WANT IN GAME...This simple concept seems completely alien to you, even though i've repeated it several times in several posts....



Why not, since not many achieve what i have done, with a single account and 12 years of patience and putting up with more expansion content, fixes, re- balances, gameplay changes and server crashes 2~3 times a day( you should have seen the first year), like i have.....many guys i started with have quit the game since then in fact.


In fact, by using multiple chars, each specialising in their own thing, the 20 years it takes to max out a single char gets reduced to just a few years per char depending on the number of accounts you own, therefore putting even more pressure on CCP to release new skills even faster for the multi account crowd.


Unless those chars start losing what makes them distinctive in their own way, with each having their own strong points and role in the game, by having them training the same skills should CCP not be fast enough on releasing new skills....Extra accounts just makes it easier in achieving what you want more quickly and easy than using a single account.

No....I think you're not willing to understand at all, or i can't make out what your point is in the above replies...

Having multiple chars with each one having dedicated and specific abilities, with as little overlap as possible between them in terms of skills, only makes the owner of said accounts run out of skills to train even faster, and the more accounts he/she owns, the worse the problem.







Why do you think i'm leaving the whole super capital objective as the final one in the game AFTER everything else is maxed out....See i have a fairly sizeable collection of ships in high end empire from all the years playing the game, and they also act as my own insurance program, should i venture into 0.0 space once again in the future, and i'd like to see what all of them can do once their skills are fully maxed out, hence why i'll only board a super at the very end....










I'm not complaining at all, just putting into perspective how the game has evolved from 2003 onwards, and where it was much tougher than it is today in terms of making isk and the speed at wich you can learn skills was much slower......Heck, i've even tried to convince friends to try it out over the years, and they won't touch it at all because it was too hard to play, hence CCP's efforts with the new player experience, wich given the subscription rates and amount of people playing, has not been too successfull....It's a game you like or you don't like.




As far as redundancy of using multiple characters where they have common skills trained, i simply hate the idea of having them and they reach a certain skill level, then stop training them since they've reached their objective, and still keep paying their accounts thru plexes or real money?....Don't think so.





Power creep is unavoidable if you want to keep the old farts like me in this game....The kind of players that have been thru it all since the game was released, and not those that constantly ***** and moan on the forums each time there's a change in the game that doesn't suit them, their play style, ships they use or profession.....You might not like it, but without us this game probably wouldn't make it past 2 years of existance and you wouldn't be playing it today.

To make the existing systems “deeper” and creating more separation between high and low SP? No. In fact, hell no.

To introduce new systems that have the same range of S–XL skills, sure… if you can figure out some interesting new weapon types to add that would need those skills (and a way to add bonuses to them to all the races' ships in some kind of remotely sensible manner).

Here's the thing though....CCP have made so many changes to the game in content, balance and gameplay over the last 9+ years that at this point, having every ship related skill trained up on a single char, means i'm as nerf proof as a char can be since i can fly anything and everything equally well, and pretty soon( relatively speaking), maxed out in everything ship related....I really don't need alts.


Even now, after the game being released for 9+ years, there's the latest dev blog from CCP where they're going to rebalance frigates, destroyers and cruisers once again(they've done this a couple of times over the years btw), in that elusive search for perfectiion that will never happen.



Hate to break it to you, but the old farts that are still playing the game, hardly log on anymore except to train skills since many of them are already in super capitals.....They're flying the biggest and most dangerous ships that the game currently has, and have no where to go from there in terms of personal developement of their chars.


Hell, even when they do have alts, they hardly log them on either.....The game has gotten stale and they have no where to aim for in terms of objectives.....Isk, skills, implants, ships and controling territory in 0.0, PVP until they're ready to barf, they've done it all.

I explained how alts on the same account would be useful to you. You decided I was talking about separate accounts and went off on an irrelevant rant. The ability to fly a supercap without locking down your ability to fly subcaps, for one.

So now balancing ships to remove the failed theory that was ship tiers is bad?



Got any evidence to support that assertion?



Age brings breadth and versatility not direct advantage, thus has it always been. The fact that a much younger character can have the exact same applicable SP for a ship as a much older character is a feature, not a flaw.

And again, you have 3 character slots on your account. Your unwillingness to use them is your hangup. Adding deeper spec trees or bigger badder new ships (like your Super-Titan terribleness) would only serve to make true the idea that new players cannot compete with older players.