Player Features and Ideas Discussion

We already have been trialling using Celestis for our fleet doctrines as a newbro platform. However why are you adding a 50% bonus to the Sensor Dampener optimal range, that's 4.5km extra per level, assuming perfect skills. The end result is you get 62.5km optimal + 90km falloff assuming perfect skills. An increase of 22.5km.

It just seems like a comparatively redundant bonus unless damps are having their optimal increased and falloff decreased.

Also it has a incredibly weak capacitor- barely able to run 4 damps as it is with an Afterburner, let alone a MWD, if active hardeners are used in lowslots it plain won't work. Assuming all Vs. Correct me if I'm wrong but this is a relatively inexpensive newbie friendly ship type but without perfect capacitor or ewar skills, this ship will suffer from it's new lowslots if they aren't passive.

Maybe the increase to lowslots will allow freeing of a midslot for a capacitor booster.

That being said I like damps as they are, while they could use a little love- I would be afraid of giving them too much. While damps may not be great for small gang warfare, situations like close-in brawls and the like, however in the current doctrine choices, where range dictation is a powerful weapon, the sensor damps go a long way to mixing that up.

Blackbirds as they are ridiculously good, but not uniquely so as all ECM boats are rather effective.

I welcome the Bellicose switching to a all launcher platform, however I can't see it being used for it's EWAR capabilities, as a shield tanker it suffers from losing the midslot to the TP, and as it has the shortest targeting range of them all, it has great difficulty making use of that, especially with targeting range rigs . Maybe it fits in a role I don't play with, but in that case, the 60% decrease in velocity of a web will be worth nearly 3 target painters in terms of tracking, which in a small gang environment where everything you bring has a major effect on the combat, I can't see it being worthwhile.

Also I have a Navy Osprey. Please save it.

I'm sorry CCP Fozzie but I'm really not hapy with this... ( Although really liked the others)

10% bonus to Remote Sensor Dampener optimal range ???

There are some ways to use the Damp in small gank PVP, the better results are with range dampening:
Focus 2 or 3 damp on the same target, making it lock range goes to less then 2km.. and then orbit it at tackle range and kill it.
Spread your damp on different targets whille you keep a good range and sniper one by one.
Focus on a target locking you and pulse all the dampners at once, breaking the lock.

In any way this only works if you are faster then the target, and you can control the range, and you can sustain a tackle orbit from the target. so it would be much more useful a drone bonus then a range bonus, because in most situations it will be useless and you will not use this on a offensive manner at all making this cruiser a bad option. ( The mallus frigate would be better because of the speed and I will absolutely fly it... this cruiser disappointed me....)

Change it to:
DRONE DAMAGE
or add also
TACKLE RANGE BONUS

4 dev replies and 0 answers later, still waiting to hear how the pure DPS Belicose is somehow a disruptor cruiser that out dps's both Amarr Cruisers maxed out on dps even if the Maller gets a 5% damage bonus

Exactly what about painters disrupts anything?

I think its supposed to be "e-war cruisers" and yes TP is ewar.

They could have given it a web range bonus which actually would be a form of disruption, but that would have also made it the most in demand T1 cruiser in the game by an order of magnitude.

Theyre stuck with the e-war they pidgin-holed the races into from the beginning. They could fix it, but that would take a redistribution of all the racial e-war.

Do you have any suggestions as to how they rectify the problem?

I think that is too much for drones. Unless the Caracal is getting a full flight of light drones (or more), the Bellicose will out damage and better tank the Caracal. It will probably be faster too. Plus, it can use any damage type for missiles and drones. I know we haven't see the Caracal yet, but the TP bonus, drones, and sub-high slots will be hard to match. A 20% bonus to range and more PG to facilitate HAMs is the only thing I can think of to match (plus drones and RoF).

The Celestis Damp Bonus is fairly underwhelming. Unless you intend to buff the RSD modules, you'll need a stronger buff. 7.5% -> 10% per level at the very least.

Do not apply frig strength damps to cruisers. Cruiser damps should be more powerful.

it's actually 93.28 with rigs, and a proteus.

Sweet stuff!

Need Target Painter buff and Bellicose is really an anti-frigate platform this way..... Destroyer? pfft.


I know this isn't the topic FOR ECM changes...
But ECM should lower max target limit and force unlock of all currently locked targets (not deny locking). 4-5 ECMs can shut down a single ship. Think about it!


Arbitrator looks 20% more sexy.

Celestis is a tough call, need to see it in action TBH, but looks healthier.

The blackbird is... well, the blackbird!


I like.

Yes, I expect the attack cruisers will get a speed buff.

-Liang

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