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Nihil Nobilitae
The Scarlet Storm
#1 - 2012-09-13 19:09:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Nihil Nobilitae
Fit is made primarily for scouting ahead of my main as well as quickly checking sites in multiple systems. I'd love to hear both comments on the current fit and any comments on alternative fits as long as they:
1. Fit a Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher
2. Have a Covops cloak.
3. Deal at least 200 DPS.
4. Preferrably has a moderate or low ammo usage.

[Pilgrim, Probie]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Co-Processor II
Co-Processor II
Capacitor Power Relay II

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Cap Recharger II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 150

Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I


Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5


Alternative Fit
[Pilgrim, Probie v2]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Co-Processor II
Damage Control II
Capacitor Power Relay II

10MN Afterburner I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Large Shield Extender II
Pithi C-Type Small Shield Booster

Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I


Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Martin0
Brave Empire Inc.
Brave United
#2 - 2012-09-13 19:19:58 UTC
You want to use it for exploration or it's just a scout for your main?
Nihil Nobilitae
The Scarlet Storm
#3 - 2012-09-13 19:23:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Nihil Nobilitae
Martin0 wrote:
You want to use it for exploration or it's just a scout for your main?


Scout for main + prober + damage support. Basically I'm currently using a Cheetah as a scout + prober but I wanna add some damage too.
Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#4 - 2012-09-13 19:42:09 UTC
Damage Control II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Armor Thermic Hardener II

Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II
Tracking Disruptor II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
10MN Afterburner II

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Medium Nosferatu II
Medium Energy Neutralizer II
Medium Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Egress Port Maximizer I


Hammerhead II
Warrior II
Valkyrie II
Hornet EC-300

Is the fit i use in small gangs with friends atm. I switch out a neut for a Probe when needed. I ocassionally will ditch the thermic hardener for a drone damage mod, but the thermal hole scares me a bit.

As is it does just over 200 dps with the drones, and the TD's help me tackle and hold, or TD's + neuts help when me and the gang are on someone.

Not sure if its what you are looking for, but its fun for me so far. ;)

NOTE: Avoid missile boats, and be wary of some capless (minnies) when you are solo and too far ahead of your buddies.

There is a special Hell for people like that, Right next to child molestors, and people that talk in the theater. ~Firefly
Herman Klaus
Touched By Klaus
#5 - 2012-09-13 19:43:09 UTC
Lose the cap recharger for a small/med cap booster otherwise if you get neuted you're a dead weight. also for the love of god fit some neuts.
Nihil Nobilitae
The Scarlet Storm
#6 - 2012-09-13 19:47:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Nihil Nobilitae
Zyella:
Needs an EXPANDED Probe Launcher. Not normal. 210 CPU

And neuts might be nice if I get caught, but generally I'll be avoiding PVP in this as much as humanly possible.

And Herman:
Mind posting a fit?
Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#7 - 2012-09-13 20:02:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Zyella Stormborn
ahh. I'm sorry I thought you were looking for a sort of scout / tackle. Check out some of the exploration pilgrim fits (google it, a few popular ones pop up), and use those. You can do sites, exploration, scout, and still offer decent dps and support if / as needed.


Edit: heres a link to one of the most popular over at battleclinic.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/32439-Pilgrim-All-in-one-Low-Sec-exploration.html

There is a special Hell for people like that, Right next to child molestors, and people that talk in the theater. ~Firefly
Nihil Nobilitae
The Scarlet Storm
#8 - 2012-09-13 20:06:57 UTC
Zyella Stormborn wrote:
ahh. I'm sorry I thought you were looking for a sort of scout / tackle. Check out some of the exploration pilgrim fits (google it, a few popular ones pop up), and use those. You can do sites, exploration, scout, and still offer decent dps and support if / as needed.


I've seen a couple, but they're all aimed towards normal probe launchers and not expanded . 40 vs 210 CPU changes everything, but expanded is just too damn good to ignore.
Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#9 - 2012-09-13 20:11:36 UTC
Nihil Nobilitae wrote:
Zyella Stormborn wrote:
ahh. I'm sorry I thought you were looking for a sort of scout / tackle. Check out some of the exploration pilgrim fits (google it, a few popular ones pop up), and use those. You can do sites, exploration, scout, and still offer decent dps and support if / as needed.


I've seen a couple, but they're all aimed towards normal probe launchers and not expanded . 40 vs 210 CPU changes everything, but expanded is just too damn good to ignore.



gotchya. not sure what to tell you there. Sounds like a lot to give up for the additional scan. Youll probably just have to tool around with fittings till you come up with what you like. Wish i could be more help there. ;)

There is a special Hell for people like that, Right next to child molestors, and people that talk in the theater. ~Firefly
Nihil Nobilitae
The Scarlet Storm
#10 - 2012-09-13 20:23:56 UTC
Zyella Stormborn wrote:

gotchya. not sure what to tell you there. Sounds like a lot to give up for the additional scan. Youll probably just have to tool around with fittings till you come up with what you like. Wish i could be more help there. ;)


Well, it's kind of a big deal. For instance if I'm looking for 6\10's only I can drop a single Deep Space Probe and scrap 7 out of 8 signatures instantly. Scan down the remaining one to see what it is.

Compared to scanning down 8 full sigs not having a clue what they might be, it's a really big difference.
Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#11 - 2012-09-13 20:27:24 UTC
Nihil Nobilitae wrote:
Zyella Stormborn wrote:

gotchya. not sure what to tell you there. Sounds like a lot to give up for the additional scan. Youll probably just have to tool around with fittings till you come up with what you like. Wish i could be more help there. ;)


Well, it's kind of a big deal. For instance if I'm looking for 6\10's only I can drop a single Deep Space Probe and scrap 7 out of 8 signatures instantly. Scan down the remaining one to see what it is.

Compared to scanning down 8 full sigs not having a clue what they might be, it's a really big difference.



I believe you. As I have gotten more practice with my scanner so far I am starting to pick up patterns, etc based on what i see from the initial scan, which is making it easier on me and faster.

While I agree with you on that expanded being great, i also look at what you have to give up to fit it. It sounds almost like you would be better off with a ship JUST for scanning, then jump to the pilgrim from there.

There is a special Hell for people like that, Right next to child molestors, and people that talk in the theater. ~Firefly
Nihil Nobilitae
The Scarlet Storm
#12 - 2012-09-13 20:31:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Nihil Nobilitae
Zyella Stormborn wrote:

While I agree with you on that expanded being great, i also look at what you have to give up to fit it. It sounds almost like you would be better off with a ship JUST for scanning, then jump to the pilgrim from there.


Yeh but it's more then that, for instance I can drop a single deep space or combat probe on a gate 50 AU off to check for gatecamp / dirty gates numbers and so on. Like an unlimited range dscan.

Thing is though, I don't really need a lot of tank cause my main does all that. But it's convenient to have 2-300 extra DPS when clearing sites.

And yeah, there's a lot of patterns to pick up xD That's what makes it fun
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#13 - 2012-09-13 20:43:18 UTC
How set are you on shield tanking? And, related, what space are you looking to operate in?

Honestly, I'm not coming up with much better for shield tanks. Armor tank could look like this if you were in Blood/Sansha space:


[Pilgrim, exploration forums expanded launcher]
Corpum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Imperial Navy Armor EM Hardener
Imperial Navy Armor Kinetic Hardener
Co-Processor II
Damage Control II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Cap Recharger II
Analyzer II
Codebreaker II
Large Capacitor Battery II

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Salvager II
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I
[empty high slot]

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I

I used something vaguely similar for a bit. Grav cap is purely optional of course.
Nihil Nobilitae
The Scarlet Storm
#14 - 2012-09-13 21:00:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Nihil Nobilitae
Zhilia Mann wrote:
How set are you on shield tanking?


Dunno, I tried armor fits but I couldn't manage to combine decent EHP with an armor repairer without coming short on CPU while fitting the expanded probe launcher. Also they fell short on on damage compared to shield because of the lack of DDAs.

Maybe the solution would be an offline setup though? Could potentially create a setup where I have to offline certain modules.

Like for instance keeping 1 or 2 Drone Damage Amps offline when using the expanded probe launcher then alternating it, turning the probe launcher off for combat sites while enabling the DDAs. Could potentially even fit some weapons in that manner.

[Pilgrim, Offliner]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Caldari Navy Co-Processor
Damage Control II
Capacitor Power Relay II

10MN Afterburner II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I /OFFLINE
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Ammatar Navy Medium Energy Neutralizer
Ammatar Navy Medium Nosferatu

Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I


Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5

This maybe?
J'as Salarkin
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#15 - 2012-09-14 02:49:13 UTC  |  Edited by: J'as Salarkin
Zhilia Mann wrote:
How set are you on shield tanking? And, related, what space are you looking to operate in?

Honestly, I'm not coming up with much better for shield tanks. Armor tank could look like this if you were in Blood/Sansha space:


[Pilgrim, exploration forums expanded launcher]
Corpum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Imperial Navy Armor EM Hardener
Imperial Navy Armor Kinetic Hardener
Co-Processor II
Damage Control II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Cap Recharger II
Analyzer II
Codebreaker II
Large Capacitor Battery II

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Salvager II
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I
[empty high slot]

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I

I used something vaguely similar for a bit. Grav cap is purely optional of course.


I am currently having fun fitting expanded probe launchers to any ship I can (especially in EFT). So far I have not tried the pilgrim, but the above suggestion is close to what I would have suggetsed, just switch the damage control for a 1600 rolled tungsten and add a small energy neutralizer in the last high slot and you would have what I would have done. The plate increass your survivability and lets your drones and or the neutralizer do their things to any tackler that manage to catch you.

And you do get 238 dps with hammerheads with maxed skill so you should not need the drone damage amplifiers...


Edit: If you do not care about the analyzer, salvager and codebreaker you might as well just go for large shield extenders and drone damage mods all the way:

[Pilgrim, expanded sisters shield]
Co-Processor II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Co-Processor II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Booster II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Deep Space Scanner Probe I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Small Energy Neutralizer II
[empty high slot]

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I

With 5 Hammerheads at max skill you get 365 dps...

Second and last edit: Dropping the shiled booster for an invulnerability field is probably a good idea, lets you add another medium neutralizer if you take a 5w for the small one.