Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Suggestion. I think you should do away with the half brawler idea and give both Cruisers and the Frigates, Combat and Secondary Ewar Bonuses.

Noted

10% bonus to drone hitpoints, damage and mining yield
I only see damage there but I have never tested if it affected ewar drones.

Not sure how I feel about the bellicose having a full drone bay. Two ewar ships, okay, but three reeks of too much homogenization. Bring the bellicose down, at least one medium drone. The balance team also added tons of drones to frigate hulls, it feels like gallente's specialization is being entirely eclipsed. The vexor, with only 75 bw (which most people only use a flight of mediums anyway) loses its advantage in the cruiser realm. A similar thing is true with the thorax.

Also, the arbitrator looks awesome, but there was talk of adding at least a taste of missile based ships in the tech 1 amarr lineup. I was waiting for it with frigates, but it never came. Adding one or two missile hardpoints to the arbitrator without increasing fitting would be a welcome stepping stone for the curse, damnation, and sacrilege. Also, as it stands, it seems the bellicose can clearly out dps the arbitrator without a huge loss of versatility.

In regards to the other two, I heard rumors that dampening will be buffed, and hearsay that ECM will be nerfed. I think both of these things need to happen in order to bring balance between the blackbird and the celestis.

Also, drones on the blackbird? not a fan. The blackbird is pretty powerful already due to the nature of ECM. Unless there is some nerfbat coming to ECM I think the blackbird is a little much. Specifically the targeting range. Thats absurd. I was expecting a targeting nerf on the blackbird, actually, not a buff.

The speed boost is very welcome.

Damps are fine, they do their job.

Fozzie, really liking what I'm seeing so far. That arbitrator's going to be a bastard of a ship, and the bellicose looks like it's going to be a fun little brawler.

Now the fun part starts, BRING ON THE ATTACK SHIPS.

Well, after the proposed changes to the Osprey and Schyte, it will be the only T1 cruiser left with a mining bonus. I just thought you guys had decided to use ORE ships as the bonused mining ships all the way. But its not a big deal obvioulsy.

2 light drones on the BB isnt a big deal. If flown right - that is utilizing its range - their best use is probably gonna be a couple of light armor maintenace bots to repair friendlies between fights, or a couple of EC-300 for self defence purposes.

As for the targeting range, it is in line with what the Blackbird is: The longest range EW cruiser in the game. And frankly, its the only way to survive with one as it is always primaried.

You really need to either adjust damps to have a bit more inherent usefulness or significantly increase that bonus (if you want to avoid the old situation of “damps on everything”).

I haven't done the all the maths for where it needs to be but really, what you should be aiming at is that with a reasonable fit and without any special bonuses (command ships etc.), and after stacking penalties, a Celestis that concentrates all of its disruption on a single ships should basically have the same effect as the equivalent Blackbird would do the the same ship… which would pretty much entail damping any normal ship down to, oh, 2km lock range or so.

…so keep bumping those bonuses up, because you're not there yet.

wat? have you lost it? maybe i don't understand , are you gving a non ore ship a random never to be used drone bonus to mining?

Also I'll say it again, nerf damps on everything and give the damp ships a 400% increase to damp effectivness. or something. You know how T2 battleships are the only ones with 90% webs? or how the web bonus ships get 300% bonus to web range almost turning them into a new weapon?

please, make it so damps are just meh, unless put on a dampening ship.

It's something we'd like to do someday, but at the moment the database file our script spits out includes a lot of unreleased stuff from our internal test server, including a bunch of stuff that will likely never see release. Getting the script to a point where it can only include the stuff we want to announce is a task for when we have a bit more free time.

still waiting to hear how the belicose proposal makes sense.