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[PROPOSAL]Memorial to Vile Rat
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ian papabear
No Regard.
#41 - 2012-09-13 19:12:06 UTC  |  Edited by: ian papabear
Anya Klibor wrote:
ian papabear wrote:
Anya Klibor wrote:
No.

The intent for this is to create a single memorial commemorating the death of a man who fought not only for his beloved internet spaceships, but also attempted to foster friendship through diplomacy in real life. Sure, people die all the time. But what makes this man any different and more important than other players?

He died in a senseless attack, while trying to make the world a better place.

Maybe I'm being insensitive, but I see no reason to erect a memorial for random people who have done nothing more than play this game and then passed on. Sean Smith is a huge exception, because of the way he lived, and the way he died.


it isnt just to say one person is more important than another. just like Sean, an average player who died is just as important to to a family , friends, or a group just as Sean was to his.

the statue itsself can be a statue of Sean's in game character followed with a short yet memorable description of him followed by a saying something like "here lies those who have passed on " then ensue a list of names

creating a statue for one person only incites jealousy and envy , then youll get people petitiong ccp to create a statue for everyone individually


Then that should show that you should go out and do something with your life. Sean lived a life full of self-sacrifice. He was an Air Force veteran. He was a veteran in the state department. In both capacities that lasted over ten years of his life, he worked to improve life for people all over the globe.

He is more important than the thirty-year-old living in mommy's basement. He is more important than the person who is living his life thinking of only of himself.

If you want to set up a memorial to all he people who play this game and have passed away, then fine. BUT THIS IS NOT FOR THEM. This is a petition to set up a memorial specifically for someone who served a life as a public servant, who put the needs of others before himself. This is for someone who wanted to make the world a better place, and in so doing was killed by extremists who want to do the exact opposite.

You're damn right he's more important than 99% of the people who play this game. He did something with his life. He came home and did all of that in-game. But yet you'll pull this BS of "it'll cause envy amongst the players!" Good. Get off your lazy ass and do something meaningful.

Stop it, now, with all these, "We need to have a memorial to commemorate all the people who have died who play this game!" You are not noteworthy. This man was, and should have our respect.


You have the right idea, but i think youre taking ideas the wrong way. The purpose behind creating a statue for those who have passed on is to simply remember. If this statue were to be created and names were listed it would show that to someone out there he/she was significant. Your basing a persons importance off what they did in life, thats not how life works . for example you are not more important than me because you got an a on your test while i got a b, we carry the same significance to someone out there as we are both humans. There are statues of people in real life , for instance, martin luther king sattues, abraham lincoln statues although the statue is of a single individual the description and text on the statue speaks for all. if you want to get technical about why the statue shouldnt soley be for one person ,well thats becasue youd have people constantly petitioniong ccp to have a statue erected in game in the name of someone they cared about. One statue of Sean in game can be a memorial for all.

I dont need to personally list what ive done in life and how i have served my community , im not vain like that .

edit: other people agree or are sharing the same view as i am . this copy and paste will show

"If we do it for this departed soul, it sets a precedent to be done for others. I don't think it is appropriate or necessary.

There are many players in EVE who help shape what it is today, not just a select few"

^^ that sums up basically what i said or is a better version of waht im trying to get across

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Migrator Soul
Filthy Peasants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#42 - 2012-09-13 22:54:57 UTC
+1

A memorial for Vile Rat is both appropriate and necessary.
Arlav Kreelim
Arturo's Restaurant
#43 - 2012-09-13 23:36:58 UTC
+1

Wherever it ends up, as long as we have one.

I think the memorial to other people is a good idea, should have its own thread and separate petition though as this one is for Vile.
Obsidiana
Atrament Inc.
#44 - 2012-09-14 00:53:43 UTC
Player created monuments should be permitted. Sovereignty should be required.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#45 - 2012-09-14 11:01:10 UTC
Nope. Anti-sign. No special treatment for specific individuals, thanks.
Evanga
DoctorOzz
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#46 - 2012-09-17 07:07:39 UTC
only +1 if its a general monument where ccp can put the names of eve ppl who died. Like in JITA or wherever.
mavrick1
waistland prospecters
#47 - 2012-09-17 16:00:36 UTC
I feel that he was a real hero and the man should have a whole system or even a region named after him that is how we remember heroes

under the radar is where i fly i make my isk like very one
Mather Odile
The spice MUST flow
#48 - 2012-09-21 19:10:43 UTC
-No

firstly, I can see why people who knew him are attached to the idea of setting something like a virtual gravestone, and his friends and family have my condolence.
That said, ones out of game jobs/ hobbies etc. should have no such impact within the game. If his RL activities are memorable, no one is stopping us from, well, remembering and honoring them, in RL and in chats etc..
But to be unbiased, CCP would have to do so for everyone who does stuff in RL that is regarded as a social or ethical good thing.
I am sure you agree, that it would be hard to comprehend a list of stuff that warrants such ingame memorials.
Without knowing what exactly he did in the military or the diplomatic corps, not everyone might agree on the evaluation of that.
If he was a reknown CSM member, they will decide on their actions by themself, if they feel so.

That aside, the idea of a structure with an infotext for players who died, sounds sensible. Although, I fear lots of made up names are likely to appear, forcing CCP to shut it down soon after errecting it.
maciek9
Beach Boys
The Minions.
#49 - 2012-10-15 09:23:44 UTC
Mather Odile wrote:
-No

firstly, I can see why people who knew him are attached to the idea of setting something like a virtual gravestone, and his friends and family have my condolence.
That said, ones out of game jobs/ hobbies etc. should have no such impact within the game. If his RL activities are memorable, no one is stopping us from, well, remembering and honoring them, in RL and in chats etc..
But to be unbiased, CCP would have to do so for everyone who does stuff in RL that is regarded as a social or ethical good thing.
I am sure you agree, that it would be hard to comprehend a list of stuff that warrants such ingame memorials.
Without knowing what exactly he did in the military or the diplomatic corps, not everyone might agree on the evaluation of that.
If he was a reknown CSM member, they will decide on their actions by themself, if they feel so.

That aside, the idea of a structure with an infotext for players who died, sounds sensible. Although, I fear lots of made up names are likely to appear, forcing CCP to shut it down soon after errecting it.


^ this and No to idea of memorising individual
Signal11th
#50 - 2012-10-17 12:53:42 UTC
Migrator Soul wrote:
+1

A memorial for Vile Rat is both appropriate and necessary.



-1 No it's not.

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2012-10-18 18:43:21 UTC
I love how the "NO OMG HE'S NOT WORTH IT" crowd finally found it's balls when they thought the whole thing had passed...

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.
Zwo Zateki
Doomheim
#52 - 2012-10-20 18:21:04 UTC
-1 Everyone dies. Sad but true.

http://cvmkr.com/R4JG
Zwo Zateki
Doomheim
#53 - 2012-10-20 18:25:11 UTC
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Sean lived a life full of self-sacrifice. He was an Air Force veteran. He was a veteran in the state department. In both capacities that lasted over ten years of his life, he worked to improve life for people all over the globe.

Yep, bombing civilians, supplying terrorists with firearms and participating in American military adventurism is so much about "improving life all over globe".

Quote:
He is more important than the thirty-year-old living in mommy's basement. He is more important than the person who is living his life thinking of only of himself.

Nope, everyone's life is equally important

Quote:
You're damn right he's more important than 99% of the people who play this game. He did something with his life. He came home and did all of that in-game. But yet you'll pull this BS of "it'll cause envy amongst the players!" Good. Get off your lazy ass and do something meaningful.

Everyone does something meaningful. Without each of us this world wouldn't exist as we know it.

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Stop it, now, with all these, "We need to have a memorial to commemorate all the people who have died who play this game!" You are not noteworthy. This man was, and should have our respect.

No special treatment, thank you.

http://cvmkr.com/R4JG
Signal11th
#54 - 2012-10-22 07:30:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Signal11th
Anya Klibor wrote:
I love how the "NO OMG HE'S NOT WORTH IT" crowd finally found it's balls when they thought the whole thing had passed...



Nope I've been saying the same thing since the first "memorial" post was mentioned.

I didn't know the guy, I think I spoke to him once and whilst it's unfortunate he was murdered (no other way to put it) by some cowardly nutjobs I'd say 90% of people on here didn't know him either.

Let the people who knew,appreciated,loved him do their own memorials because then it has some real meaning and not some pointless pixel memorial that all the people who seem to count being shot by someone in a game as "knowing" them or the "Oh yeah he flew in my system once" crowd.

I think the simple memorial on Mittani.com is as good as any could be.

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
Speedkermit Damo
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2012-11-02 17:51:03 UTC
A generic memorial to all EVE players who have passed away - Yes.

A specific memorial to one player - No.

Protect me from knowing what I don't need to know. Protect me from even knowing that there are things to know that I don't know. Protect me from knowing that I decided not to know about the things that I decided not to know about. Amen.
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