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Hull Buffer Tanking!
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Green Beans
R and J Inc.
#1 - 2011-10-14 22:24:59 UTC
I would like to point out that, say, if you slapped 7 of those tech 2 reinforced bulkheads on a ship with 8 low slots and then a damage control ll, you get a good deal more hull hp. Combine this with some logistics buddies, you got a pretty big ass tank.

I played with it on EFT, and with all level 5 skills, an Aeon supercarrier has 718,750 hull hp. With the above mentioned upgrades, it ends up with 3,427,267 hull hp! Crikey! Oh, and that's not even with the damage control activated! So with the damage control
it becomes 5,483,627.2 hp!!!! EPIC! That's over 7.6 times the original hp!

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Dr Cedric
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2 - 2011-10-14 22:28:10 UTC
I'm sure this will be confirmed since I'm not sure, but the repair cycle for Hull reppers (remote and local) are WAY longer than shield or armor, possibly on the order of 7 times slower...making your buffer 7 times less effective. Also, you'll only ever max out at 60% resists w/ a T2 Damage control, which will make those 5M hull hps less effective in practice.

Confirm/Deny?

Ced

Cedric
Green Beans
R and J Inc.
#3 - 2011-10-14 22:31:24 UTC
But say you have a whole fleet of logistics buddies. And, the 5m hp is taking resists into account, so that 5m hp is the same as any 0% res 5m hp.

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Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#4 - 2011-10-14 22:41:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Green Beans wrote:
But say you have a whole fleet of logistics buddies. And, the 5m hp is taking resists into account, so that 5m hp is the same as any 0% res 5m hp.

If you have logistics, your buffer won't matter as much as how quickly they can rep you. And hull rppers repair you really, really, really slow. Only use for remote hull reps, or local for that matter, is for repairing yourself after a fight without paying for reps.

If you're talking logi, you'll get a much better tank by getting your shield/armor resists up past 70-75%, or more.

thhief ghabmoef
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2011-10-14 22:57:07 UTC
Hull reps aren't just slow, they eat a ton of cap.

Hull buffer works ok for bait ships in low sec, but no one will ever use them on a capital ship, or in a spider tank.
Green Beans
R and J Inc.
#6 - 2011-10-14 23:55:06 UTC
I was just demonstrating the possible effectiveness of hull tanks, not stating that it is better than armor/shield. :3 Sorry if i wasn't clear enough!

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Sentient Sovereign
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2011-10-15 00:44:11 UTC
We need a T1 and a T2 ship with bonuses to hull repair.

Then we can have some people fail fit their ships with only a DCII for tank, and a fleet of Hull logi, for lulz killz.

I want to do some vanguard sites with hull tank logis!
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#8 - 2011-10-15 00:50:06 UTC
[Dominix, real men...]
Damage Control II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II

Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 400
Warp Disruptor II
Warp Disruptor II
Warp Disruptor II

Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Large Ancillary Current Router I
Large Egress Port Maximizer I
Large Egress Port Maximizer I


Ogre II x5

Nothing about that screams bait. Nothing.
Green Beans
R and J Inc.
#9 - 2011-10-15 02:38:55 UTC
Sentient Sovereign wrote:
We need a T1 and a T2 ship with bonuses to hull repair.



Oh yes

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Green Beans
R and J Inc.
#10 - 2011-10-15 02:39:47 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
[Dominix, real men...]
Damage Control II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II

Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 400
Warp Disruptor II
Warp Disruptor II
Warp Disruptor II

Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Large Ancillary Current Router I
Large Egress Port Maximizer I
Large Egress Port Maximizer I


Ogre II x5

Nothing about that screams bait. Nothing.


Pretty epic! Must be pretty slow though.

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Goose99
#11 - 2011-10-15 13:54:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Goose99
Won't work. Doesn't matter even if rr keeps you alive forever. Your modules will take dmg and pop as hull takes dmg, leaving you with no modules.P
AureoLion
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2011-10-15 14:16:49 UTC
[Bhaalgorn, New Setup 2]
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Damage Control II

Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets
Patterned Stasis Web I
Patterned Stasis Web I
Faint Warp Disruptor I
Faint Warp Disruptor I

Ammatar Navy Heavy Nosferatu
Ammatar Navy Heavy Nosferatu
Ammatar Navy Heavy Nosferatu
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Large Egress Port Maximizer II
Large Egress Port Maximizer I
Large Egress Port Maximizer I

PIRATE BS IN HULL, FIRE ON IT!
and the hull alone is 125k ehp.
Mart Allini
Lead Farmers
#13 - 2011-10-15 14:28:09 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
Won't work. Doesn't matter even if rr keeps you alive forever. Your modules will take dmg and pop as hull takes dmg, leaving you with no modules.P



Hmm, that's news to me. Evelopedia confirms it though. Any idea how likely that is to happen? I've left fights in structure before and have never seen it happen
Lugalzagezi666
#14 - 2011-10-15 14:42:21 UTC
Stupid idea.
Not even counting trimarks/cdfes its worse than armor/shield tank on 99% of ships. And then there is rr and siege/armor boosters...
King Rothgar
Deadly Solutions
#15 - 2011-10-15 15:29:41 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
[Dominix, real men...]
Damage Control II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II

Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 400
Warp Disruptor II
Warp Disruptor II
Warp Disruptor II

Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Large Ancillary Current Router I
Large Egress Port Maximizer I
Large Egress Port Maximizer I


Ogre II x5

Nothing about that screams bait. Nothing.


Needs more cyno.

[u]Fireworks and snowballs are great, but what I really want is a corpse launcher.[/u]
Green Beans
R and J Inc.
#16 - 2011-10-15 16:29:53 UTC
AureoLion wrote:
[Bhaalgorn, New Setup 2]
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Damage Control II

Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets
Patterned Stasis Web I
Patterned Stasis Web I
Faint Warp Disruptor I
Faint Warp Disruptor I

Ammatar Navy Heavy Nosferatu
Ammatar Navy Heavy Nosferatu
Ammatar Navy Heavy Nosferatu
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Large Egress Port Maximizer II
Large Egress Port Maximizer I
Large Egress Port Maximizer I

PIRATE BS IN HULL, FIRE ON IT!
and the hull alone is 125k ehp.


That's a waste of a Bhaalgorn!

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Silas Shaw
Coffee Hub
#17 - 2011-10-16 03:23:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Silas Shaw
[Orca, Hull]
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Damage Control II

Remote Sensor Dampener II, Targeting Range Dampening
Remote Sensor Dampener II, Targeting Range Dampening
Remote Sensor Dampener II, Targeting Range Dampening
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution

Medium Energy Neutralizer II
Medium Energy Neutralizer II
Medium Energy Neutralizer II

Large Low Friction Nozzle Joints II
Large Low Friction Nozzle Joints II
Large Low Friction Nozzle Joints II

214k EHP in eft. Not the dumbest fit, i guess... ;p

Silas
Whiteknight03
Trilon Industries and Exploration
#18 - 2011-10-16 08:03:13 UTC
Reinforced Bulkheads II and Damage Control II is my standard low for the Orca. It means that if an enemy wants to suicide gank me for very little gain, they'll have to bring enough firepower for 2 freighters. Good times
Marcus Gideon
Triglavian Assembly
#19 - 2011-10-16 15:48:15 UTC
Confirming the Orca is the only ship that should be Hull Tanked...

For everything else, there's Mastercard
Baraka Saibot
Wobbling Frog Inc
#20 - 2011-10-16 15:55:34 UTC
I wonder, if you could dock, how big the repair bill would be...
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