EVE General Discussion

I log on to evegate in a good mood. Find a couple interesting threads yeah some crappy ones* too. It's never long before 1 of 2 ISD have to interject their self in the thread in some way. Evegate and Eve online are a package deal for a lot of us If one sucks, both suck!

Lets compare this to in game. You're flying along a goon decides to grief you, you have a couple choices for revenge. You could fight back or hire someone to fight for you. An ISD griefs you, have no options! Anything you do will just result in a forum ban and or in game band.

So you get banned what are your options. You can't complain in public about the abuse of power and corruption, it's against the rules.

File a petition? What's the point! If CCP was willing to oppose their free labor, or deal with you fairly any in manner "discussion of moderation is not permitted" wouldn't exist. Gag orders exist for one reason to cover corruption.

I know ISD alts and fanboys disagree, so don't bother responding. We already know who you are and disregard your post just like CCP disregards ours.

As long as ISD exist people like the 2 will sign up.

They need to reinstate lSD Banhammer.


That ***** ruled.

Hello Everyone,

I'm ISD Athechu I'm not a member of ISD:CCL but of ISD:STAR. For those that don't know the difference CCL are the Forum Moderators. STAR is the Support Training and Resources division of ISD we work mostly in the in-game Help Channels. Just thought that I should introducing myself mostly because I moonlight as a forum moderator to help out the team.

Little bit about me, I have been with the ISD program in STAR for about a year and eight months now. I hold the rank of Commander in STAR. Most of my forum moderation responsibility is in the New Citizens Q&A forum but you may see me from time to time posting in other sections beyond EVE Q&A to help with moderation or answer a question. I am happy to talk about EVE and questions you have about EVE or about the ISD Program and joining it (there are some topics I won't talk about so use common sense) if you are interested.

Well that's it for me I like to keep it short and sweet. See you in the help channels or else where. o/

Hey so are any of you going to unlock this thread here James 315 for CSM as hi-sec representative that was locked up for no reason, or is this the thread for ISD officials to simply introduce themselves and debut their uselessness at resolving issues and answering questions?

Good morning,

We have made mention of this, both internally and to our chain of command.
We actually discussed it as recently as Lord Zim posted his suggestion.

All I can offer you at this point is that it has been raised.

I hope you can see that where it is possible you do get feedback to the level that we can provide.
A locked post will have a reply from the appropriate person stating the reason for the lock, An edited post will have a legend saying 'Edit: Reason - Volunteer Name' and a little flag saying Edited by '....'.
If we delete posts, we will post in the thread to say that we've cleaned up, and why we've done so.

All of the above is current policy and should be followed at all times, although there may be a time delay between a thread being locked and a reply being posted.

Finally, I hope you can trust any ISD member in their moderation as much as you did Zymurgist, all of my team members have had full training and been subject to rigorous background checks by the GM team.

As I've stated before, if you believe that we have been anything less then impartial, then please either report the post in question, or raise a petition; I can assure you that all such reports are dealt with by the CCP Community team.

Lastly, as a matter of interest - are you aware of any standard forum software that tells users when their posts are moved, edited or deleted ? I am interested in understanding the features that are available, so that I can be better informed in our internal discussions about this.

Thanks and fly safe.

Hi Nicolo,

This discussion isn't here to simply reverse decisions that were unfavorable to certain people, I'm sorry if that was the impression you received.

The thread in question was reviewed multiple times and each time, we reached the same conclusion, it needed to be locked.

Thanks and fly safe.

As said above:



If you think we censor posts / threads, file a petition. If you step over the line in a R.I.P. thread your post will be altered and if needed removed. If you post in a civil manner that doesnt break a forum rule, there is nothing to worry about.

This a privatly run message board, it is not Hyde Parks's speaking corner, people tend to forget that.

I agree, trolling comments could be hidden in each and every comment. If we do not spot them right away, there is always the chance that it gets reported and we look into it.

Thank you for raising the issue.

The Edited by tag is woefully insufficient, so is a post saying that you've deleted posts because neither tell the person whose post you've edited or deleted that their specific post has been altered or removed. This means that people don't necessarily know if they're breaking the rules unless they're obsessive enough to regularly check every post of theirs.

You're participating in censorship every time you perform a moderation action that wasn't specifically asked for by the posters affected by it.

If you think otherwise, I suggest you speak to Mr. Webster and register your complaints with him (or being that time travel/speaking with the dead is hard, the Merriam-Webster company).

That does not mean that that censorship is always uncalled for or that it is a bad thing. But please, don't pretend that editing or deleting someone else's speech is not censorship. It just makes you look silly. Like asking us to file a petition for every moderation action you perform.



So which rule did the OP of the James 315 CSM thread break? Because the trolling of a thread by other people calls for cleaning, not locking (or are you suggesting that your policy is to reward trolls by punishing their victims?).