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Taiyri Uchonela
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-09-11 14:23:03 UTC
Most incursion fits I see are either Laser, Projectile, or Hybrid turret based. I'm just curious how many missile boats get into incursions?

I'm working on my raven skills for mission running but would like to eventually move into incursions. Will I be able to use a raven for incursions or will I be stuck training for one of the other battleships for a while after I'm comfortable with my raven skills to run lvl 4s?

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Le'Mon Tichim
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-09-11 14:41:11 UTC
Turrets offer instant damage application, where missiles do not. Incursions are all about getting it done as fast as possible to increase your isk/hour. That's not to say you won't get into a fleet, but your chances are better with a turret vessel.

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Taiyri Uchonela
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-09-11 14:43:24 UTC
Bleh, looks like I got a lot more training before I can get into incursions then. Thank you. :)

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Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
#4 - 2012-09-11 15:50:40 UTC
For what it's worth, I ran with a couple of TVP HQ fleets last weekend while there was an incursion in my home constellation, and there were several CNRs and SNIs in fleet, and even a couple of vanilla Ravens. I think they were mostly filling sniper slots.
Anomander Onzo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-09-11 16:21:11 UTC
Missile ships are not likely to find a place within a Vanguard fleet due the need for instant damage on targets, but as Zor said, missile ships are more than welcome in TVP(The Valhalla Project) as we run HQ's and Assault sites where snipers are needed and missile boats make great snipers for the most part. Join the in game channel "The Valhalla Project", the friendly folks there will be glad to give you a hand in getting your ship set up for incursions.
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-09-11 18:40:21 UTC
Anomander Onzo wrote:
Missile ships are not likely to find a place within a Vanguard fleet due the need for instant damage on targets, but as Zor said, missile ships are more than welcome in TVP(The Valhalla Project) as we run HQ's and Assault sites where snipers are needed and missile boats make great snipers for the most part. Join the in game channel "The Valhalla Project", the friendly folks there will be glad to give you a hand in getting your ship set up for incursions.


This. I didn't want to use my Machariel when I first started running incursions so i picked up a CNR because they are cheap. You can get into AS and HQ fleets as a sniper and learn the ropes.

Ravens have that 5% per level shield bonus, and your tank is passive so it works out perfectly.

Before they started nerfing VG's they were acceptable but no preferred in non "shiny" fleets.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#7 - 2012-09-11 19:50:52 UTC
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:
Ravens have that 5% per level shield bonus, and your tank is passive so it works out perfectly.


Oh... really?
Herr Ronin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-09-11 19:52:40 UTC
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:
Anomander Onzo wrote:
Missile ships are not likely to find a place within a Vanguard fleet due the need for instant damage on targets, but as Zor said, missile ships are more than welcome in TVP(The Valhalla Project) as we run HQ's and Assault sites where snipers are needed and missile boats make great snipers for the most part. Join the in game channel "The Valhalla Project", the friendly folks there will be glad to give you a hand in getting your ship set up for incursions.


This. I didn't want to use my Machariel when I first started running incursions so i picked up a CNR because they are cheap. You can get into AS and HQ fleets as a sniper and learn the ropes.

Ravens have that 5% per level shield bonus, and your tank is passive so it works out perfectly.

Before they started nerfing VG's they were acceptable but no preferred in non "shiny" fleets.


I get the impression that you don't run Incursions, Passive?

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Herik Casal
The Graduates
The Initiative.
#9 - 2012-09-11 20:38:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Herik Casal
Herr Ronin wrote:
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:
Anomander Onzo wrote:
Missile ships are not likely to find a place within a Vanguard fleet due the need for instant damage on targets, but as Zor said, missile ships are more than welcome in TVP(The Valhalla Project) as we run HQ's and Assault sites where snipers are needed and missile boats make great snipers for the most part. Join the in game channel "The Valhalla Project", the friendly folks there will be glad to give you a hand in getting your ship set up for incursions.


This. I didn't want to use my Machariel when I first started running incursions so i picked up a CNR because they are cheap. You can get into AS and HQ fleets as a sniper and learn the ropes.

Ravens have that 5% per level shield bonus, and your tank is passive so it works out perfectly.

Before they started nerfing VG's they were acceptable but no preferred in non "shiny" fleets.


I get the impression that you don't run Incursions, Passive?


nevermind
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-09-11 23:41:06 UTC
what about tengoose?

I should buy an Ishtar.
Sycotic Deninard
Basgerin Pirate
#11 - 2012-09-12 01:13:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Sycotic Deninard
Taiyri Uchonela wrote:
Most incursion fits I see are either Laser, Projectile, or Hybrid turret based. I'm just curious how many missile boats get into incursions?

I'm working on my raven skills for mission running but would like to eventually move into incursions. Will I be able to use a raven for incursions or will I be stuck training for one of the other battleships for a while after I'm comfortable with my raven skills to run lvl 4s?



TVP uses any missile ship that a player wants to bring. Other incursion communities generally don't due to fleet comp and general biases against missile ships.

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Sycotic Deninard
Basgerin Pirate
#12 - 2012-09-12 01:19:47 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
what about tengoose?



I fly a shiny passive sniper fit Tengu and have found that it out dps's any other sniper ship in the game. Most of the time the corp ticker displayed on the sniper wrecks are mine. I of course have excellent missile support skills, implants and have an excellent fit designed for that role to do it very well.

I also need to state that my Tengu does best in HQ's and some Assault sites. If you're interested in doing Vanguards, Tengus are ok however Loki's are preffered due to its webbing bonus and high alpha capabilites to its target.

If you're interested in fitting help, join The Valhalla Project channel.

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Taiyri Uchonela
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-09-12 04:11:17 UTC
Thanks for the info guys. I may steer clear of Incursions for a while simply because I hate the idea of my own idiocy hindering other people's progress. I'll just have to learn some more and then look back into it when my skills are better and I have more options.

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TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-09-12 08:12:38 UTC
Sycotic Deninard wrote:

I fly a shiny passive sniper fit Tengu and have found that it out dps's any other sniper ship in the game. Most of the time the corp ticker displayed on the sniper wrecks are mine. I of course have excellent missile support skills, implants and have an excellent fit designed for that role to do it very well.


This isn't because you're out dpsing the others, it's because you're getting the final blow as they've already applied their damage, then your missiles eventually reach an already low hp target and finish it off.

Not saying the ship is wrong for the job... but agree you don't want to use them for vanguards, especially when sites are contested the targets will be destroyed before your missiles arrive so your effective dps is 0.

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Sycotic Deninard
Basgerin Pirate
#15 - 2012-09-12 20:44:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Sycotic Deninard
TheSkeptic wrote:
Sycotic Deninard wrote:

I fly a shiny passive sniper fit Tengu and have found that it out dps's any other sniper ship in the game. Most of the time the corp ticker displayed on the sniper wrecks are mine. I of course have excellent missile support skills, implants and have an excellent fit designed for that role to do it very well.


This isn't because you're out dpsing the others, it's because you're getting the final blow as they've already applied their damage, then your missiles eventually reach an already low hp target and finish it off.

Not saying the ship is wrong for the job... but agree you don't want to use them for vanguards, especially when sites are contested the targets will be destroyed before your missiles arrive so your effective dps is 0.



I think you're mistaken on how the Corp tickers get on the wrecks. Most people think that it's the person that got the killing blow on the target however in fact, it's the person that did the most damage to the target that gets the credit. When two different fleets contest a site, it's the fleet that did the most damage overall that gets credit for the site and that is generally reflected with the corp tickers on the wrecks.

Also I'd like to point out that eventhough there is travel time for missiles to reach it's target, it does more applied damage than any other weapon system over a period of time. On occassion I even out DPS a "Full Fleet" target, I think the reason behind that is because of the Tengu's fast lock times that I can apply damage to the target before most ships even get a lock on the target.

I had a chance to fly with a shiny Assault fleet and they had the same perspective that you have shared and at the end of the site, all but a few of the sniper targets had my corp ticker on it.

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Soundwave Plays Diablo
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-09-12 22:50:34 UTC
i.e. not an active booster sucking cap/power.

ah yeah only the rokh/scorp gets the 5% bonus. The CNR has the 6 mids.