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[Winter] Support Cruisers

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Whisperen
Resilience.
The Initiative.
#161 - 2012-09-12 16:13:28 UTC
Looks good keep up the good work.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#162 - 2012-09-12 16:16:51 UTC
I personally think these guys are a bit too good considering how cheep they will be..

It will be fine in larger scale conflicts since the lack of res will make them pop really easily

But as it is they will be way to good at cheap loltactics in small gang warfare..

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Oraac Ensor
#163 - 2012-09-12 16:17:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Oraac Ensor
Never mind - missed the point.
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
#164 - 2012-09-12 16:20:42 UTC
Oraac Ensor wrote:
I'm Down wrote:
They come out and say, oh, the ships have lower resistances.... not true on the Exeq that has an extra low and an extra rig slot.

Eh? What?


T1 ships have 3 rig slots. T2 ships have 2 rig slots.
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#165 - 2012-09-12 16:25:33 UTC
A 1000% bonus just seems like too much if that what it needs to be competitive with T2 logi it makes me think that T2 logi is too good and their destroyer like sig radius is too low

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
mine mi
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#166 - 2012-09-12 16:48:04 UTC
I would like to see greater flexibility, not just two versions of the same, the Amarr are large consumers of cap, it would be nice to see that reflected in their logistics, the Gallente may depend entirely on their logistic drones while in their high slots, weapons might can destroy taclers, or Minmatar, a sig radius bonus, to have dual propulsion and also be consistent with the philosophy of hit and run.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#167 - 2012-09-12 16:57:40 UTC
I will reluctantly agree that logi drones are not the best for these, as it takes almost as much time to train T2 armor tank and T2 medium RR, as it takes to train T2 logi drones. A remote ECCM bouns would creat a unique nich fot the ship makeing it useful even after you could use T2 logi

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#168 - 2012-09-12 17:01:24 UTC
and what use is a eccm bonus on a ship who will be instantly targeted by the ecm ship knowing full well the eccm bonus would hamper his job jamming more ships?

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#169 - 2012-09-12 17:08:54 UTC
Harvey James wrote:
and what use is a eccm bonus on a ship who will be instantly targeted by the ecm ship knowing full well the eccm bonus would hamper his job jamming more ships?

Well again it comes down to if the eccm ship is being jammed that is one less combat ship being jammed

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#170 - 2012-09-12 17:13:19 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
So what do you think about a bonus for projected ECCM?

Instead of the drone bonus?

Definitely something to consider.





you sir are the best dev eva... well amoung the best... but def like top 3!

the thing about drone is they dont do alot of repping and as stated logi ships do lots of wapring around so the bonus is kinda a waist on this great ships...

but think about that new sexy logi frig you got...

i am one of those vets who found out about faction warfare and a tech II version navitas that has a drone rep bonus would work awesome for plexes...

drone bonus makes sense for small scale pvp but for bigger fleets (something i think the updated crusiers are being placed for) does not really fit that well...

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#171 - 2012-09-12 17:21:29 UTC
Harvey James wrote:
and what use is a eccm bonus on a ship who will be instantly targeted by the ecm ship knowing full well the eccm bonus would hamper his job jamming more ships?



same thing with a ET bonus...

one up and one down...


it would make a eccm chain like you see et chains...

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Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#172 - 2012-09-12 18:13:31 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
Harvey James wrote:
and what use is a eccm bonus on a ship who will be instantly targeted by the ecm ship knowing full well the eccm bonus would hamper his job jamming more ships?



same thing with a ET bonus...

one up and one down...


it would make a eccm chain like you see et chains...


Point being it kind of nerfs the use of the ship in that respect where as a tracking link bonus would actually be useful as a support skill especially for gallente blaster boats without attracting the same amount of attention.

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Lilan Kahn
The Littlest Hobos
The Whale Hunters Association
#173 - 2012-09-12 18:19:40 UTC
as a logi 5 pilot this fleels like a massive **** slap to the face.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#174 - 2012-09-12 18:40:51 UTC
Harvey James wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
Harvey James wrote:
and what use is a eccm bonus on a ship who will be instantly targeted by the ecm ship knowing full well the eccm bonus would hamper his job jamming more ships?



same thing with a ET bonus...

one up and one down...


it would make a eccm chain like you see et chains...


Point being it kind of nerfs the use of the ship in that respect where as a tracking link bonus would actually be useful as a support skill especially for gallente blaster boats without attracting the same amount of attention.



Tracking link is a niche bonus hardly used outside of incursions... A bonus to eccm projectors is more of a pvp bonus which has much more applications...

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Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#175 - 2012-09-12 18:42:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Harvey James
Quote:
Tracking link is a niche bonus hardly used outside of incursions... A bonus to eccm projectors is more of a pvp bonus which has much more applications...


All the more reason to put it on the pvp map im sure a brutix would love a nice range boost especially mine :)

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#176 - 2012-09-12 18:48:06 UTC
Lilan Kahn wrote:
as a logi 5 pilot this fleels like a massive **** slap to the face.


Logi 5 is still better than these, yo can run cap stable and rep more HP/s and more ship.
If they are given a remote tracking bonus then it would be a real slap in the face as these are cheaper, and do 70~80% of a t2 logo ship.
If they got a remote eccm bound they would make a nice addition to existing logi fleets.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#177 - 2012-09-12 18:51:37 UTC
Harvey James wrote:
Quote:
Tracking link is a niche bonus hardly used outside of incursions... A bonus to eccm projectors is more of a pvp bonus which has much more applications...


All the more reason to put it on the pvp map im sure a brutix would love a nice range boost especially mine :)


And before incursions how often were they used? Pretty much non existent... There is a good reason they are hardly used for pvp...

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Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#178 - 2012-09-12 18:53:25 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
Harvey James wrote:
Quote:
Tracking link is a niche bonus hardly used outside of incursions... A bonus to eccm projectors is more of a pvp bonus which has much more applications...


All the more reason to put it on the pvp map im sure a brutix would love a nice range boost especially mine :)


And before incursions how often were they used? Pretty much non existent... There is a good reason they are hardly used for pvp...



Because the 2 ships with the bonus's lack enough slots and secondary use to be worth using

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Marcel Devereux
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#179 - 2012-09-12 18:59:52 UTC
Lilan Kahn wrote:
as a logi 5 pilot this fleels like a massive **** slap to the face.



Only a slap in the face? This was suppose to be more like a sweep-your-legs-out-from-under-you-then-stomp-you-in-the-face change. I guess Fozzie was using a slap to the face as a distraction for that. Hmm. Maybe you were moving too much. Please stand still. Go Fozzie Go!

As someone who has multiple characters with Logi V and all races cruisers trained, this is a welcome change. Getting new players/low skill point players into logi roles sooner without long skill trains is a good thing. Sorry you invested all those skillpoints in ships that will still be better. Can I haz your stuff?
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#180 - 2012-09-12 19:04:19 UTC
Harvey James wrote:

Because the 2 ships with the bonus's lack enough slots and secondary use to be worth using



you could have 8 mids and it still would not be used...

people would just use more tank for the minnie one or more eccm or cap injectors for the gal one...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.