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Agent Akari
Absolute Order XVIII
Absolute Will
#401 - 2012-09-12 15:57:59 UTC
Why is nobody mentioning a remote armor repair fleet?

It doesn't work?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#402 - 2012-09-12 16:01:21 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Then why not go and suicide gank a 600k EHP Damnation?
Because it's not carrying anything that's worth, oh, 20bn ISK or so… and thus not a worth-while target.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#403 - 2012-09-12 16:02:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Tippia wrote:
Because it's not carrying anything that's worth, oh, 20bn ISK or so… and thus not a worth-while target.


So cost is a factor after all...

If you don't want to take a risk then why not use something like a noobship?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#404 - 2012-09-12 16:06:10 UTC
Agent Akari wrote:
Why is nobody mentioning a remote armor repair fleet?

It doesn't work?


we found one these. Unfortunatly for the frieghter, having an entire armour HAC gang with logi support in your cargo hold isn't as effective as having pilots flying themLol
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#405 - 2012-09-12 16:08:17 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
So cost is a factor after all...
Not in balance, no.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#406 - 2012-09-12 16:08:43 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Because it's not carrying anything that's worth, oh, 20bn ISK or so… and thus not a worth-while target.


So cost is a factor after all...


Which is what makes it so funny seeing all the rage when they have the answer right in front of them. Don't stuff 20 bil in the hold!
Ginger Barbarella
#407 - 2012-09-12 16:09:43 UTC
Mohamad Transporte wrote:
just few minutes ago... Goons has destroyed 4 freighters in high sec (u can check eve-kill.net), total drop worth 21.5 billion isk!!!

21.5 Billion isk people!!!!

that beats 10/10 DED, FW Missions and incursions all together!!

if u want all alliances to leave their 0.0 systems and just go fun terrorizing high sec and earn money for that... stay cool about it CCP... as it will destroy the game

u gave protection for miners... its time for freighters/ JF revamp...


Allow JF's to use their jump dirves in high sec!!

YAY!!!!

Wait, wut?

Ask yourself what those freighter pilots could have done differently (ie, routes, change in business model, selling elsewhere, etc) rather than hauling 21.5 billion ISK in goods thru what, most likely, is highly volatile throttle points in high sec. I just about guarantee you they COULD HAVE done something differently that wouldn't have killed their freighters.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#408 - 2012-09-12 16:16:59 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Which is what makes it so funny seeing all the rage when they have the answer right in front of them. Don't stuff 20 bil in the hold!


I'm not raging because someone lost 500x PLEX because.
I'm a bit sad that I've yet to find killmail of Damnation gank in 1.0 system.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#409 - 2012-09-12 16:18:36 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Which is what makes it so funny seeing all the rage when they have the answer right in front of them. Don't stuff 20 bil in the hold!


I'm not raging because someone lost 500x PLEX because.
I'm a bit sad that I've yet to find killmail of Damnation gank in 1.0 system.


When someone makes it worthwhile it will be done.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#410 - 2012-09-12 16:19:24 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
I'm a bit sad that I've yet to find killmail of Damnation gank in 1.0 system.
Why is that?
It seems rather encouraging that some people have the sense to not turn their ships into obvious loot piñatas.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#411 - 2012-09-12 16:20:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
baltec1 wrote:
When someone makes it worthwhile it will be done.


Are you saying that 1,8B in A-Types isn't enough?

Tippia wrote:
It seems rather encouraging that some people have the sense to not turn their ships into obvious loot piñatas.


So you can call us "risk-averse carebears" again?
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#412 - 2012-09-12 16:22:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Frostys Virpio
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Because it's not carrying anything that's worth, oh, 20bn ISK or so… and thus not a worth-while target.


So cost is a factor after all...

If you don't want to take a risk then why not use something like a noobship?


The cost of the ship is not a balancing factor. It's a factor to choose which target you attack or not. That choice is based on the isk value of what can drop opposed to the ship cost of the attacker. If you were to haul 21 bill worth of cargo in a single ship, you would need something close to 11 bill worth of tornado alpha in EHP to not be a juicy target.

I wonder how many pilot is required to have 11 bill worth of tornado ready to alpha a ship...

EDIT : This si assuming the damnation has close to that much tank. Anything below will make it easyer for it to be a juicy target. Whats the EHP of that 2 bill damnation?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#413 - 2012-09-12 16:22:51 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Are you saying that 1,8B in A-Types isn't enough?
Depends on what ships (and how many) are needed to kill it.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#414 - 2012-09-12 16:27:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Tippia wrote:
Depends on what ships (and how many) are needed to kill it.


[Damnation, loot piñata]

1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Centum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Centum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Energized Thermic Membrane II

[Empty Med slot]
[Empty Med slot]
[Empty Med slot]
[Empty Med slot]

Armored Warfare Link - Passive Defense II
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Slave Alpha
Slave Beta
Slave Gamma
Slave Delta
Slave Epsilon
Slave Omega

Of course in fleet so it would benefit from small fleet boost.

Frostys Virpio wrote:
Whats the EHP of that 2 bill damnation?


~625k vs RF EMP

Oh, I forgot mindlink...
NL Nataku
Manson Family
Advent of Fate
#415 - 2012-09-12 16:28:06 UTC
Well ganking a freighter in hi sec has been made ridiculously easy and i don't blame anyone from doing it.

Not just being able to see people go ape **** about losing them, the payoff from doing it can be a quick easy buck.
However i do agree there is not a whole lot a freighter pilot can do about it. Sure reduce the amount of value in the cargo will help but in certain cases that would defeat the purpose of doing it in a freighter since you have it to move large stuff around. (those trying to transport stuff like BPO's and other valuable items that have no weight are just asking for it.)

Now i see some people mentioning to set out with a support fleet, but i don't think that would work very well in hi sec seeing as you have to wait for the gankers to agres. At which the support fleet might be to late to take care of them or in the case of logistic ships not have enough time to rep up as long as they have enough alpha.

Now i don't want to see freighters get buffed or something else getting nerfed either, however i do believe that in some manner that setting out with a support fleet would be a great idea, however currently i simply don't see how a support fleet is going to make much of a difference when like described above there is to much alpha on the field.

But anyway this is what makes eve and because of this, things on the market are going change and new possibilities open up.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#416 - 2012-09-12 16:39:55 UTC
Ganker requirement : hauler EHP/ choosen ship alpha = number of required gankers

Cost of possible gank : number of required ganker * isk worth of ships choosen = total gank cost

gank value : Total hauled asset / 2 = potential average loot

IF potential average loot > total gank cost

THEN You = juicy

ELSE You = Not juicy

END IF

See how the cost of the hauling ship is never included anywhere? That prove it is not a balancing factor.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#417 - 2012-09-12 16:41:36 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
[Damnation, loot piñata]
So, not worth it, then.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#418 - 2012-09-12 16:42:29 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Depends on what ships (and how many) are needed to kill it.


[Damnation, loot piñata]

1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Centum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Centum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Energized Thermic Membrane II

[Empty Med slot]
[Empty Med slot]
[Empty Med slot]
[Empty Med slot]

Armored Warfare Link - Passive Defense II
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Slave Alpha
Slave Beta
Slave Gamma
Slave Delta
Slave Epsilon
Slave Omega

Of course in fleet so it would benefit from small fleet boost.

Frostys Virpio wrote:
Whats the EHP of that 2 bill damnation?


~625k vs RF EMP

Oh, I forgot mindlink...


Forgettign about mindlink, a ganker team would need to bring ~625k alpha damage at half the cost of what you haul for the gank to be worth it. If it's impossible, then you are "safe" to haul it in that ship. If it's over, you are technically juicy. The value of your ship is meaningless. It's tank and what it haul are the important point.
Ryhss
#419 - 2012-09-12 16:42:42 UTC
Another nerf high/low/null sec thread. I'm sick of these.

I just turned into an egg, did I level up? I spent an hour trying to salvage a wreck, when in local a guy said "Stop it, this is my Tempest, I was AFK"
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#420 - 2012-09-12 16:42:45 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
When someone makes it worthwhile it will be done.


Are you saying that 1,8B in A-Types isn't enough?

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Yep.