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CCP has Caracal and Moa Confused.
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John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#21 - 2012-09-12 14:42:32 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
it can't kite very well. It was always better at lobbing missiles from a safe distance

You don't know what kiting is, do you?



LOL Cool

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-09-12 14:42:50 UTC
Skippermonkey wrote:
Since when has a Caracal done anything but lob missiles from a distance?

And since when has a Moa done anything but fit Blasters and get all close and personal?

Like others have said, it is you who is mistaken


long range missiles = brawling
close range guns = fast attack

duh.
Ensign X
#23 - 2012-09-12 14:42:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Ensign X
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Which one is actually faster then? He seems to say Moa and you say Caracal. Is this whole thread stupid because the OP could not get the right data?


Caracal is actually faster, despite the OP's protestations and bad math.

Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Base speed + 10mn mwd gets the Caracal to 1387m/s and Moa to 1354m/s.

But the Moa has twice as many low slots, so the Moa has a higher top speed.


But they both have 3 rig slots which means the Caracal has a higher top speed. You've heard of stacking penalties, I presume?

Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
If the moa already has a higher top speed, why is the Caracal becoming the fast attack cruiser?


Again, it doesn't. The Caracal has a higher top speed. Your math is terrible and you should feel terrible.
Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Doomheim
#24 - 2012-09-12 14:44:48 UTC
Ensign X wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Which one is actually faster then? He seems to say Moa and you say Caracal. Is this whole thread stupid because the OP could not get the right data?


Caracal is actually faster, despite the OP's protestations and bad math.

Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Base speed + 10mn mwd gets the Caracal to 1387m/s and Moa to 1354m/s.

But the Moa has twice as many low slots, so the Moa has a higher top speed.


But they both have 3 rig slots which means the Caracal has a higher top speed. You've heard of stacking penalties, I presume?

Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
If the moa already has a higher top speed, why is the Caracal becoming the fast attack cruiser?


Again, it doesn't. The Caracal has a higher top speed. Your math is terrible and you should feel terrible.


EFT says Moa has an absolute advantage in top speed. Fill all slots and rigs with speed stuff.

Moa is fast attack.
GirrL
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-09-12 14:48:50 UTC
I really really hope they will go with the close range role with a shield resistance and hybrid turret damage combination for MOA.
Sniping is boring.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-09-12 14:52:09 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Skippermonkey wrote:
Since when has a Caracal done anything but lob missiles from a distance?

And since when has a Moa done anything but fit Blasters and get all close and personal?

Like others have said, it is you who is mistaken


long range missiles = brawling




WHAT?
Ensign X
#27 - 2012-09-12 14:52:14 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
EFT says Moa has an absolute advantage in top speed. Fill all slots and rigs with speed stuff.


You're doing it wrong.

Moa - Base Speed = 164ms
w/ 10mn MWD = 1273ms
w/ 4x Overdrive + Rigs = 1779ms
w/ All + Heat = 2525ms

Caracal - Base Speed = 178ms
w/ 10mn MWD = 1387ms
w/ 2x Overdrive + Rigs = 1853ms
w/ All + Heat = 2631ms

In each and every scenario, with or without rigs or heat, the Caracal is faster. These are EFT numbers confirmed with Pyfa.
Metal Icarus
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#28 - 2012-09-12 15:00:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Metal Icarus
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
Ok...but more importantly did they say anything about completely changing that awful hull of the Moa?


No, they called it sleek though.


Are they blind?

I think they should give it the same treatment the stabber did... Make it look so good, it would be considered spaceship pr0n and people must be 18 yrs or older to see it without fittings.

pr 0n is censored? REALLY?
Aldeb Haraz
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#29 - 2012-09-12 15:00:51 UTC
Not to mention that as a brawling ship the moa needs to devote it's lowslots to tank and damage mods to stay even somewhat close to other ships in the class, while the caracal is pretty free to chose between speed or DPS.

Bad thread, gas immediately
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#30 - 2012-09-12 15:06:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Roll Sizzle Beef
Moa looks like a brick ("beautifully sleek" was a joke, get it!?)
Caracal looks like a hydroplane boat. ("We want to clearly revamp these four ships to be dedicated to speed and damage.")
It does not matter what you want, or how you used the old broken cruisers. That's how they will be molded in the rebalance.
ArmyOfMe
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#31 - 2012-09-12 15:09:06 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:

long range missiles = brawling
close range guns = fast attack

duh.

Has to be a troll, nobody is this dumb

GM Guard > I must ask you not to use the petition option like this again but i personally would finish the chicken sandwich first so it won´t go to waste. The spaghetti will keep and you can use it the next time you get hungry. Best regards.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#32 - 2012-09-12 15:13:39 UTC
ArmyOfMe wrote:
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:

long range missiles = brawling
close range guns = fast attack

duh.

Has to be a troll, nobody is this dumb


Dumb troll is still dumb.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-09-12 15:15:24 UTC
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
Ok...but more importantly did they say anything about completely changing that awful hull of the Moa?


no but the vagas gunna get another face lift

so, yey or somthing

Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
ArmyOfMe
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#34 - 2012-09-12 15:18:16 UTC
Oh, and i actually love the Moa hull, i think it looks freaking awesome

GM Guard > I must ask you not to use the petition option like this again but i personally would finish the chicken sandwich first so it won´t go to waste. The spaghetti will keep and you can use it the next time you get hungry. Best regards.
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#35 - 2012-09-12 15:24:03 UTC
ArmyOfMe wrote:
Oh, and i actually love the Moa hull, i think it looks freaking awesome

Absolutely. If they ever do revamp it, I hope they only accentuate it like they did the raven
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-09-12 15:25:18 UTC
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
ArmyOfMe wrote:
Oh, and i actually love the Moa hull, i think it looks freaking awesome

Absolutely. If they ever do revamp it, I hope they only accentuate it like they did the raven


Only need a few more antena right?
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-09-12 15:31:09 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Skippermonkey wrote:
Since when has a Caracal done anything but lob missiles from a distance?

And since when has a Moa done anything but fit Blasters and get all close and personal?

Like others have said, it is you who is mistaken


long range missiles = brawling
close range guns = fast attack

duh.

i er....

..stand corrected?

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
Roderick Grey
Koenigsbergers
#38 - 2012-09-12 15:33:15 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
In the recent dev blog it says that the Caracal is going to be a fast attack cruiser and the moa a brawler.....

These roles are backwards Caracal should be the brawler and Moa the attack cruiser.

You guys also seem to have the Vexor and Throax confused.



In pvp it's the Caracal's job to stay out of harms way and to deal damage, that's why it has it's current stats, CCP might even make it's fittings similar to the moa in order to further augment it's already established role in pvp. If you define a Caracal as a brawler you either don't understand English or Eve pvp, to clarify:

Brawl:

Fight or quarrel in a rough or noisy way.

The Caracal has a terrible tank and bonuses for range, how can it brawl when it's build around avoiding damage?

And just because you can fill a Moa's lowslots with Nanofibers doesn't mean it's intended to be faster.


What's your issue with the thorax and Vexor then? Is the Thorax supposed to be the drone boat because it can fit another drone damage amplifier?

“We could learn a lot from crayons; some are sharp, some are pretty, some are dull, while others bright, some have weird names, but they all have learned to live together in the same box.” - Special needs division of Fcon.
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#39 - 2012-09-12 15:35:23 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Only need a few more antena right?


I was thinking bulkier struts and engine, and doodads for the Onyx in a similar style the Phobos got.
Ginger Barbarella
#40 - 2012-09-12 16:13:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Ginger Barbarella
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
In the recent dev blog it says that the Caracal is going to be a fast attack cruiser and the moa a brawler.....

These roles are backwards Caracal should be the brawler and Moa the attack cruiser.

You guys also seem to have the Vexor and Throax confused.


Caracal LOOKS like a fast-attack ship. Moa LOOKS like a brawler. What's the problem?

And who cares?!?!?! Vaga is getting it's fins back!!!! Big smile

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
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