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CCP has Caracal and Moa Confused.
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-09-12 13:39:57 UTC
In the recent dev blog it says that the Caracal is going to be a fast attack cruiser and the moa a brawler.....

These roles are backwards Caracal should be the brawler and Moa the attack cruiser.

You guys also seem to have the Vexor and Throax confused.
Yokai Mitsuhide
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-09-12 13:41:30 UTC
Ok...but more importantly did they say anything about completely changing that awful hull of the Moa?
Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-09-12 13:42:39 UTC
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
Ok...but more importantly did they say anything about completely changing that awful hull of the Moa?


No, they called it sleek though.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-09-12 13:42:43 UTC
or it was you who confused those ships Cool

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-09-12 13:49:03 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
or it was you who confused those ships Cool


Nope.

Caracal has never been particularly fast, and it can't kite very well. It was always better at lobbing missiles from a safe distance.
Moa has typically been used with blasters to fight close range.

So CCP has ignored the way people actually use these ships.

Also, how the hell do you expect me to believe the Thorax is a lighter cruiser than a Vexor?
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-09-12 14:02:57 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
or it was you who confused those ships Cool


Nope.

Caracal has never been particularly fast, and it can't kite very well. It was always better at lobbing missiles from a safe distance.
Moa has typically been used with blasters to fight close range.

So CCP has ignored the way people actually use these ships.

Also, how the hell do you expect me to believe the Thorax is a lighter cruiser than a Vexor?


So a ship that "lob missile from safe distance" is more a brawler than one using blaster at close range?
Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-09-12 14:04:41 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
or it was you who confused those ships Cool


Nope.

Caracal has never been particularly fast, and it can't kite very well. It was always better at lobbing missiles from a safe distance.
Moa has typically been used with blasters to fight close range.

So CCP has ignored the way people actually use these ships.

Also, how the hell do you expect me to believe the Thorax is a lighter cruiser than a Vexor?


So a ship that "lob missile from safe distance" is more a brawler than one using blaster at close range?


Because the Moa has to go faster. Therefore the Moa is the fast attack cruiser.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-09-12 14:09:05 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
or it was you who confused those ships Cool


Nope.

Caracal has never been particularly fast, and it can't kite very well. It was always better at lobbing missiles from a safe distance.
Moa has typically been used with blasters to fight close range.

So CCP has ignored the way people actually use these ships.

Also, how the hell do you expect me to believe the Thorax is a lighter cruiser than a Vexor?


So a ship that "lob missile from safe distance" is more a brawler than one using blaster at close range?


Because the Moa has to go faster. Therefore the Moa is the fast attack cruiser.


He's also the brawler. They mostly just applied a false label on the Caracal. Going in the thick of battle is brawling. Thats what the Moa does. The Caracal in a brawl is a soon to be lost ship.
Doddy
Excidium.
#9 - 2012-09-12 14:09:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Doddy
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
or it was you who confused those ships Cool


Nope.

Caracal has never been particularly fast, and it can't kite very well. It was always better at lobbing missiles from a safe distance.
Moa has typically been used with blasters to fight close range.

So CCP has ignored the way people actually use these ships.

Also, how the hell do you expect me to believe the Thorax is a lighter cruiser than a Vexor?


You are talking nonsense i am afraid. Caracal has always been used as a kite. Its very weapon type is suited to it (missiles don't care how fast the ship firing them is travelling). All ccp want to do is make it better at what it is used for on tq (kiting). Using a caracal as a brawler loses its main advantage, that is being able to do full damage at distance while travelling at speed. It will get eaten alive by turret brawlers.

With the Moa they say they don't know whether to make it better at what the designed it for (sniping) or for what people mainly use it for (brawling). they haven't decided yet. It would make no sense as an attack cruiser unless it was completely redesigned (maybe keep rails and give it a big tracking bonus or something?)

Thorax needs to be fast because its a blaster boat. I guess ccp want to make it lighter so making it faster doesn't make it op, i do have my doubts.

Vexor has always been used as a brawler thanks to having the highest dps potential of any t1 cruiser. Of course thanks to using drones it was also very versatile so people use it has a kite or a brick or pretty much anything they want.
Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-09-12 14:10:32 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
or it was you who confused those ships Cool


Nope.

Caracal has never been particularly fast, and it can't kite very well. It was always better at lobbing missiles from a safe distance.
Moa has typically been used with blasters to fight close range.

So CCP has ignored the way people actually use these ships.

Also, how the hell do you expect me to believe the Thorax is a lighter cruiser than a Vexor?


So a ship that "lob missile from safe distance" is more a brawler than one using blaster at close range?


Because the Moa has to go faster. Therefore the Moa is the fast attack cruiser.


He's also the brawler. They mostly just applied a false label on the Caracal. Going in the thick of battle is brawling. Thats what the Moa does. The Caracal in a brawl is a soon to be lost ship.


But the Caracal is not fast.
It is not agile.

How the hell do we get away with calling it a Fast Attack Cruiser?! The moa is a much better choice here.
Ensign X
#11 - 2012-09-12 14:20:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Ensign X
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
But the Caracal is not fast.
It is not agile.

How the hell do we get away with calling it a Fast Attack Cruiser?! The moa is a much better choice here.


Caracal is faster than the Moa. Caracal is more agile than the Moa. THAT is how they get away with calling it an Attack Cruiser.

Moa is slower. Moa is less agile. Moa has a shield resist bonus. THAT is how they get away with calling it a Combat Cruiser.

Understand now?

If you do, don't say anything and just let this terrible thread die.

If you don't, obvious troll is obvious and you should still let this terrible thread die.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-09-12 14:24:27 UTC
Ensign X wrote:
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
But the Caracal is not fast.
It is not agile.

How the hell do we get away with calling it a Fast Attack Cruiser?! The moa is a much better choice here.


Caracal is faster than the Moa. Caracal is more agile than the Moa. THAT is how they get away with calling it an Attack Cruiser.

Moa is slower. Moa is less agile. Moa has a shield resist bonus. THAT is how they get away with calling it a Combat Cruiser.

Understand now?

If you do, don't say anything and just let this terrible thread die.

If you don't, obvious troll is obvious and you should still let this terrible thread die.


Which one is actually faster then? He seems to say Moa and you say Caracal. Is this whole thread stupid because the OP could not get the right data?
Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-09-12 14:28:02 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Ensign X wrote:
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
But the Caracal is not fast.
It is not agile.

How the hell do we get away with calling it a Fast Attack Cruiser?! The moa is a much better choice here.


Caracal is faster than the Moa. Caracal is more agile than the Moa. THAT is how they get away with calling it an Attack Cruiser.

Moa is slower. Moa is less agile. Moa has a shield resist bonus. THAT is how they get away with calling it a Combat Cruiser.

Understand now?

If you do, don't say anything and just let this terrible thread die.

If you don't, obvious troll is obvious and you should still let this terrible thread die.


Which one is actually faster then? He seems to say Moa and you say Caracal. Is this whole thread stupid because the OP could not get the right data?


Base speed + 10mn mwd gets the Caracal to 1387m/s and Moa to 1354m/s.

But the Moa has twice as many low slots, so the Moa has a higher top speed.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#14 - 2012-09-12 14:30:27 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
In the recent dev blog it says that the Caracal is going to be a fast attack cruiser and the moa a brawler.....

These roles are backwards Caracal should be the brawler and Moa the attack cruiser.

You guys also seem to have the Vexor and Throax confused.


Re-read your own post.

Future tense <> present tense

All your confusion about Fast Attack Cruisers aside, the future is what CCP makes of it.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-09-12 14:32:45 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
In the recent dev blog it says that the Caracal is going to be a fast attack cruiser and the moa a brawler.....

These roles are backwards Caracal should be the brawler and Moa the attack cruiser.

You guys also seem to have the Vexor and Throax confused.


Re-read your own post.

Future tense <> present tense

All your confusion about Fast Attack Cruisers aside, the future is what CCP makes of it.


And I think they are doing it wrong.
dethleffs
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#16 - 2012-09-12 14:35:11 UTC
If CCP says it will be what it will be, what is was in the past is totally irrelevant, as what it will be will be the new reality.


yes?
Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-09-12 14:35:37 UTC
If the moa already has a higher top speed, why is the Caracal becoming the fast attack cruiser?
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-09-12 14:39:02 UTC
Since when has a Caracal done anything but lob missiles from a distance?

And since when has a Moa done anything but fit Blasters and get all close and personal?

Like others have said, it is you who is mistaken

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#19 - 2012-09-12 14:41:18 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
it can't kite very well. It was always better at lobbing missiles from a safe distance

You don't know what kiting is, do you?

Oh god.
John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#20 - 2012-09-12 14:41:42 UTC
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
Ok...but more importantly did they say anything about completely changing that awful hull of the Moa?


There's nothing awful about it. Looks fine to me.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
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