Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I for one would prefer skill level based bonuses over ship hull bonuses.

And here you kill your whole argumentation : oneiros can too get bonuses and pills ; and an exequror with pills kill the whole idea of a noob logi crowd.

And extra low+extra rig *don't* make for the resist : it's called stacking penalty, it cannot achieve the same resist of a T2 hull even with full rack of resist mods. Infact, extra low slot + rig don't even make for tank at all because of one simple thing : put an ACR on the oneiros, and it have TWICE the PG of this exequror. TWICE. Tank on these ships is not even comparable.

As for the third rig, an armor rig it will be most of time, reducing the speed to the level of the oneiros with 1600 plate.

And the sensor strength and lock range don't seem very important to you.

Oh, and this oneiros is barely capstable "all 5" too. I admit cruiser 5 is easier than logi 5, but still, you need all the associated skills to get a cap stable exequror, and the remote repair augmentor rig.

By the way, the same argument goes for logi frigates : a swarm of logi require peoples, a lot of them. A logi pilot is not shooting enemies, and shooting ennemies is the first goal of a fleet. There's no point in bringing a logi fleet if you have nobody to shoot at things.

So, to sum this up : fleet won't bring more logi, because they have a limited number of people ; this exequror *is* less effective than an oneiros, even a 3 reper one. Hence, replace oneiros or any T2 logi by a T1 one, and your fleet lose remote rep power.

We could say that this would hurt small gang warfare, but I think falcon are still better.

*snip* i compared them equally. Both had the same buffs.

You also don't seem to understand how to fit ships if you think extra low/rig can't get you higher resist. Go back a few pages, see the fit i posted and then compare. Not everyone is ******** enough to do a 2 EAN tank fit.

No, the sensor str and lock range don't matter to me when there will be a logistical numbers creep and there exist a variety of ways in game to overcome those issues beyond local fittings.

The fit I posted as is, is cap stable with Cruiser 4/repair 5 or repair 4/Cruiser 5. Implant, drug, or a variety of other options, a change to solace or meta 5+, and the natural tendency for most pilots to want cruiser 5 for any of a number of other reasons suggest that your totally wrong about the ease of cap stability for even a 5-10mil SP player.

I've said it forever, you can't balance ships around stuipid newbs, you have to balance them around competent players who will exploit them in every way possible.

In before some dip **** tries to define exploit the improper way.

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I think these changes are great as long as T2 logi gets a bit of a tweak and adjustment as with all of the T2 ships are getting an order of magnitude closer to T1 ships with the buffs (which is good).

I think the scimi should keep the drone rep bonus and exeq should get the tracking link bonus - simple reason is to not compete for mid slots. Maybe that breaks your schema for things, but I think it does incorporate it into the T1 version enough that it makes people get the idea of it.

T2 logistic cruisers using T2 modules are fine, the question is is the drop rate of dead space and officer mods too high

So what do you think about a bonus for projected ECCM?

Instead of the drone bonus?

Has any thought been given to turning any of the revamped cruisers into explorers (scanning bonus along with utility highs and mids), or is that generally considered to be the domain of frigates (and T3)?

T2 Logi, T1 Support cruisers and Destroyers all have 13 slots.

ah fair enough my mistake but should they all be on par?
seems a bit odd to me especially in comparison to others and also since cruisers are 14max does this mean bc's will have less say 16 or 17?

If I have missed this I apologize. Will the mineral build amounts change on the new Support Cruisers. If so can we expect the same role out as we had with the Procurer? The base mineral amount will change but the reprocessing values will stay the same until a time when CCP feels its safe to change it?

Because a game balance that depends on different kinds of ships is better than the alternative.

Almost every other game have a setup where support/healer/whatever is needed. Why?
Because it incetivises group play.

I know you like your pure drake fleet but really?

Logistics require tactics. lets not nerf brain requirements.