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Exploration & Bonuses to Probe Strength
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Wintermute Cnom
#1 - 2012-09-12 09:07:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Wintermute Cnom
Do probe strength bonuses (from implants or rigs) give a significant boost to your speed in scanning?

If I'm currently scanning down a site and usually isolate it on 1.0AU with 4 sisters probes, will adding 2x Gravity Capacitor Upgrades + implants enabled me to pin it down on a higher range say 2.0AU or even 4.0AU?

I'm currently using a Tengu w/ Emergent Locus Analyzer for my exploration but I'm also wondering if it will be worth it to fit that in a Drake for low-sec exploration (scanning speed-wise only).

Thanks!
Tomcio FromFarAway
Singularity's Edge
#2 - 2012-09-12 09:33:12 UTC
6% Hardwires help a bit ( scan strength and deviation reduction ).
10% are too costly but help a bit more.
Virtue set helps a lot ( only really useful for dedicated scanner alts ).
Grav cap rigs are great but you lose rig slots for that. You can fit just one at it will help quite a bit.
Use 7 probes ( each probe counts ).
Level 4 in astro range finding is a must.
Level 4 in astro pinpointing is very helpful ( seriously I really noticed big difference when I trained it ).
Having probe scan strength around 80 allows you scan every site.
If you were using Tengu and now want to use Drake then be prepared to experience extreme increase in scanning times.

Just take that Tengu to lowsec you sissyPirate
TriadSte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-09-12 10:43:11 UTC
80 strength wont get you the 10/10s in null :)

I think 130 strength is optimal, then you can find everything with 5 probes.

Skills as above poster stated lvl4 is a must, lvl5 astro to use deep space probes as they're winsauce for plexs.
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-09-12 11:01:03 UTC
You'd need to use gravity capacitor rigs on the drake, but then you'd have a drake without shield rigs, which is kind of a lame duck (pun intended).
Wintermute Cnom
#5 - 2012-09-12 13:19:31 UTC
Thanks for the info everyone.

I already have all scanning skills at IV and Astrometrics at V

If 1 level of Astro pinpointing is then would an implant be a big help as well?

Tomcio FromFarAway wrote:

Just take that Tengu to lowsec you sissyPirate


I'd love to but I barely have enough to buy a 2nd Tengu as of now.

Anya Ohaya wrote:
You'd need to use gravity capacitor rigs on the drake, but then you'd have a drake without shield rigs, which is kind of a lame duck (pun intended).


Would a PVP drake be more fitting for lowsec?
Tomcio FromFarAway
Singularity's Edge
#6 - 2012-09-12 13:26:45 UTC
Wintermute Cnom wrote:

Tomcio FromFarAway wrote:

Just take that Tengu to lowsec you sissyPirate


I'd love to but I barely have enough to buy a 2nd Tengu as of now.


Just messing with youBlink
You shouldn't take such an expensive ship if you don't have experience with lowsec exploration.

Truth of the matter is that you will have serious problems in scanning drake. Terrible scan times and sacrificed rigs limiting your tank or gank capabilities is not a good combination. Maybe try using scanning T1 frig ( T2 covops frig if you can fly it ) with 2x grav cap rigs to scan sites first and then switch to full combat drake. Scanning will be much faster and you will also be able to do sites faster thanks to rigs ( fitting rigor or damage rigs for instance ).

In which space are you going to do this ( I assume Caldari ) ?
Wintermute Cnom
#7 - 2012-09-12 13:32:06 UTC
Tomcio FromFarAway wrote:
Wintermute Cnom wrote:

Tomcio FromFarAway wrote:

Just take that Tengu to lowsec you sissyPirate


I'd love to but I barely have enough to buy a 2nd Tengu as of now.


Just messing with youBlink
You shouldn't take such an expensive ship if you don't have experience with lowsec exploration.

Truth of the matter is that you will have serious problems in scanning drake. Terrible scan times and sacrificed rigs limiting your tank or gank capabilities is not a good combination. Maybe try using scanning T1 frig ( T2 covops frig if you can fly it ) with 2x grav cap rigs to scan sites first and then switch to full combat drake. Scanning will be much faster and you will also be able to do sites faster thanks to rigs ( fitting rigor or damage rigs for instance ).

In which space are you going to do this ( I assume Caldari ) ?


I can fly a T2 covops frigate, but the problem is getting back to get the Drake will need time, and I don't have an alt for that unfortunately.

I'm avoiding Caldari space, too much competition.
Calisto Thellere
#8 - 2012-09-12 13:41:28 UTC
In highsec the competition is high, Caldari lowsec is as dead as it is anywhere else excluding FW systems.


Best advice is to save for another tengu and fit a covops sub and cloak. Try not to be too dumb and you shouldnt really lose your ship at all.
Keep local open always, cloak when scanning and Dscan Dscan Dscan if your not alone in the system just to be sure.
Wintermute Cnom
#9 - 2012-09-12 13:51:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Wintermute Cnom
Calisto Thellere wrote:
In highsec the competition is high, Caldari lowsec is as dead as it is anywhere else excluding FW systems.


Best advice is to save for another tengu and fit a covops sub and cloak. Try not to be too dumb and you shouldnt really lose your ship at all.
Keep local open always, cloak when scanning and Dscan Dscan Dscan if your not alone in the system just to be sure.


Would a covops cloak Tengu pack enough Tank and DPS for lowsec exploration (sites only, PVP excluded)
Tomcio FromFarAway
Singularity's Edge
#10 - 2012-09-12 15:31:02 UTC
Wintermute Cnom wrote:

Would a covops cloak Tengu pack enough Tank and DPS for lowsec exploration (sites only, PVP excluded)


400dps might be enough to do the sites ( depends on space ) but it will take ages.
You also get much lower range ( 100km range is one of the reasons Tengu is so good for pve but on covop Tengu range is much shorter ).

For low end sites ( Provisional Outpost, Outpost, DED4 ) it will be okish but high end sites will be very problematic.
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#11 - 2012-09-12 15:56:21 UTC
Covops Tengu gets about 400 DPS with Furies, and range is a little less than 70 km. It gets great tank depending on the quality of the fittings. Resists in the 90's is possible. The nice thing is: you can jump through any gate with confidence.

You should try 5 probes. Formation like a 5 of dice. The center probe is always smaller than the 4 outside probes, it is basically overlapped by them completely.
Wintermute Cnom
#12 - 2012-09-12 23:15:23 UTC
Tomcio FromFarAway wrote:
Wintermute Cnom wrote:

Would a covops cloak Tengu pack enough Tank and DPS for lowsec exploration (sites only, PVP excluded)


400dps might be enough to do the sites ( depends on space ) but it will take ages.
You also get much lower range ( 100km range is one of the reasons Tengu is so good for pve but on covop Tengu range is much shorter ).

For low end sites ( Provisional Outpost, Outpost, DED4 ) it will be okish but high end sites will be very problematic.



That's a bummer. Would getting a scanning alt and using a combat toon be a better choice?

About how many DPS would be advisable to do these sites? 500+?

RavenPaine wrote:
Covops Tengu gets about 400 DPS with Furies, and range is a little less than 70 km. It gets great tank depending on the quality of the fittings. Resists in the 90's is possible. The nice thing is: you can jump through any gate with confidence.

You should try 5 probes. Formation like a 5 of dice. The center probe is always smaller than the 4 outside probes, it is basically overlapped by them completely.

Sorry, I omitted something on my original post

I'm using the exact same formation Big smile