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The state of Missiles in PvP.
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Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
#1 - 2012-09-12 06:46:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Lilianna Star
I know I just made a post in the feedback section defending the state of missiles. But posting that got me thinking about the real state of balance for missiles.

As for the true state of whether or not it is balanced, I came to this conclusion: Missiles are friggin' weird man.

Missiles, as they are, have no true hard counter unlike turrets. Not only that, no tracking means no mobility DPS penalty. But they suffer the problem if traveling to targets which can cause problems. And can be destroyed mid flight.

So is it possible for a weapon to be both sub par and completely broken? Is it like Schrödinger's balance? (Somewhere, a quantum physicist is crying)

What do you think?
iownuall123
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-09-12 06:53:47 UTC
A shield of ships fit with smartbombs inbetween the missiles and their targets is a very effective counter against missile boat fleets
Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
#3 - 2012-09-12 07:01:21 UTC
iownuall123 wrote:
A shield of ships fit with smartbombs inbetween the missiles and their targets is a very effective counter against missile boat fleets


I neglected to put that up there, thanks.
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-09-12 07:06:20 UTC
Lilianna Star wrote:
Not only that, no tracking means no mobility DPS penalty.


Explosion velocity and Explosion radius means mobile ships and small ships take far less dps than fat slow ships.

Missiles are very good when used correctly but can be a joke when used incorrectly
Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
#5 - 2012-09-12 07:08:52 UTC
Vaal Erit wrote:
Lilianna Star wrote:
Not only that, no tracking means no mobility DPS penalty.


Explosion velocity and Explosion radius means mobile ships and small ships take far less dps than fat slow ships.

Missiles are very good when used correctly but can be a joke when used incorrectly


I mean of the ship itself using them. Doesn't matter how fast you're going, damage stays the same.
Ghazu
#6 - 2012-09-12 07:23:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Ghazu
Torpedos are crappy.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#7 - 2012-09-12 07:50:20 UTC
I agree, HMLs need to be nerfed.

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Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#8 - 2012-09-12 07:53:11 UTC
Stealth Drake Nerf Thread? ^_^

FREEZE! Drop the LIKES AND WALK AWAY! - Currenly rebuilding gaming machine, I will Return.
Grog Barrel
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-09-12 12:39:55 UTC
wasn't the last inquisition enough?
Yokai Mitsuhide
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-09-12 12:41:59 UTC
Roime wrote:
I agree, HMLs need to be nerfed.


You just shut your dirty little mouth!
Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-09-12 13:41:08 UTC
Lilianna Star wrote:
Vaal Erit wrote:
Lilianna Star wrote:
Not only that, no tracking means no mobility DPS penalty.


Explosion velocity and Explosion radius means mobile ships and small ships take far less dps than fat slow ships.

Missiles are very good when used correctly but can be a joke when used incorrectly


I mean of the ship itself using them. Doesn't matter how fast you're going, damage stays the same.


And how is this shocking?

There is no turret to "track" a target, a missile is basically dropped into space where it does its own guided thing.
ChaseTheLasers
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
#12 - 2012-09-12 13:44:46 UTC
Cruise missiles need a good look at. They're not even fantastic in PvE.
Bouh Revetoile
In Wreck we thrust
#13 - 2012-09-12 13:50:41 UTC
ChaseTheLasers wrote:
Cruise missiles need a good look at. They're not even fantastic in PvE.

Despite the Raven was considered to be the best T1 mission BS some times ago...
Doddy
Excidium.
#14 - 2012-09-12 13:52:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Doddy
Missiles are just different. Some balancing between missile types wouldn't go amiss though. HMLs are not really that op but a slight nerf may be in order (or maybe just nerf the drake/tengu). This would in itself buff the alternative HAMS as they would become the true damage choice. Light missiles are already getting a slight buff, rockets aren't bad, torps aren't bad. Really its cruise that are the poor relation
Doddy
Excidium.
#15 - 2012-09-12 13:52:44 UTC
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
ChaseTheLasers wrote:
Cruise missiles need a good look at. They're not even fantastic in PvE.

Despite the Raven was considered to be the best T1 mission BS some times ago...


You mean before the missile nerf ........
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#16 - 2012-09-12 14:38:19 UTC
I completely agree!

Missiles need buffed/nerfed because when compared to turrets, they are completely-different/not-the-same and are clearly over-powered/under-powered, depending on circumstances.

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Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#17 - 2012-09-12 17:38:37 UTC
Ghazu wrote:
Torpedos are crappy.

This is true ^

Other than that missiles are fine... the damage doesn't hit until the missiles get there, so there are some missile drawbacks. That alone makes them a lot different than any other weapons. The cane is a fine counter to the drake... I don't see why you want to nerf it. Just buff the amarr and gallente BCs instead.

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#18 - 2012-09-12 17:45:22 UTC
....I liked the New Manticore.... but without the AWESOME Sauce Explosions from Torps.... Its not so fun anymore :|

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Yokai Mitsuhide
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-09-12 17:55:12 UTC
Alice Saki wrote:
....I liked the New Manticore.... but without the AWESOME Sauce Explosions from Torps.... Its not so fun anymore :|


This^^
Miss the giant radius of torpedo explosions.
Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2012-09-12 18:47:44 UTC
Nothing wrong with HML's, it's the medium sized, long range turrets that need some help.