Skill Discussions

I don't think the issue here is skill points or training time. It's more of an issue of convenience. It takes about roughly 5 yrs to get 100 mil sp. That's about 20 mil on avg per yr. Now let's say said person is focuesed on combat, fleet management, factional warfare, etc... Not let's say they decide to "retire" and pick up gardening or should I say a planet mining operation to manufacture T2 stuff from scratch. They would have to train all those skills needed to crack planets, mining and not to mention everything needed to harvest fuel for those operations. Training the skills needed can take 6 months to 2 yrs. (Not sure of actual training time, just using best guesstimation) By the time you have the skills trained, they would've already lost interest in the game and stopped playing because they were bored with what they had focused on. Yes, it happens because people do change despite popular belief.

I know some of you are saying "Create an alt or buy a toon" but look at it realistically. To create an alt, you still have to wait for the skills to train and if you didn't think ahead (who does that anymore) that you would be interested in cracking planets then you have to wait even longer.

And to buy a toon, this is even lazier than wanting to train skills faster and you use real world currency. Anyone who suggested buying a toon should be ashamed of yourselves. Now lets just say that you are lazy enough to actually waste real money on a toon, think of the time it would take to find someone who is selling a toon that has the skills that you need to do what you want. God help you if you were lied to about what skills the toon has (not sure if there is a way to see other players skills). Wasted time and money.

I have an idea that might work. Dual-Clones. Let that sink in a little. Now, how does that work you may ask? Simple, you go to the med-lab and request an alternate clone back-up that has your current amount of skill points only unallocated and then you focus your sp to whatever is needed but be careful because you can only do this once and once you click confirm, it is set in stone and can not be modified from there on out. now, only one clone can be active at a time and only the active clone can train new skill points. The standby clone has stopped training and skill queue is emptied. Now here's the kicker, you can only switch clones once every 3 months or so. (Just sounds like a decent time to me, others may disagree)

Again, this is just an idea as a means to rectify the current issue and can be critiqued as needed to promote fairness. Thoughts? Criticism? Suggestions? disagreements?

I have only been playing for 28 days and this is my only character.

Thanks, now I know.



It's not skill remapping because you never change the original clones skills. your investing in an entirely different clone instead of creating an alt and training it. Its actually referred to as Dual Specialization. Maybe the word "clone" is just used to losely in this game.



Does your T2 production operation include building and anchoring POS to moons and probing of the moons? And harvesting the fuel for said POS? Yes, I can start doing something new and different in this game. Ultimately, its not exactly what I wanna do but its in the same ball park even if I'm not skilled for it but still not what I wanna do. It may not even work out as I had originally planned but hey, I'm not skilled for it so stop complaining and waste another year of my life.



In all honesty, I really don't see a major difference between this idea and creating an alt from day one. The only blunt difference is time and I'm sry. My time outside of game is pretty valuable seeing as it is my only resource I can never get back. I do thank you for your input and it will be taken into consideration as I iron out my final plans for this idea.

On another note, this option shouldn't available right off the bat and is only available to players who have reached a certain amount of skill points. Not sure what to set this to yet.

Well, right now I'm only training all basic skills that is required for everything else and following the certificates for stuff I wanna focus on as a guideline for right now.

Whats the fun in that if you can't blow up someones expensive clone?

as just another noob (some 5mil sp) I want to contribute my opinion.
The skill-system in itself is perfekt. Nothing more to say.
BUT .. I find it strange that I can have 3 Chars in one account but only one at a time can train. Why is that ? For me this looks illogical and I think it would make sense to let the other train while I can only fly with one at a time. So I can have my specials for what I just want to play at that time .. which is kind of skill-swapping, but anyhow. I think it would make the simpliest solution and won't hurt the game.

Abu

To control that people would not set alts to train titan skills (just an example) to 5 and then sell them on character bazaar.

This will always be something I'm against.

The current system rewards specialisation and planning, and most importantly using your brain when you are on the lower end of the SP pool. It's an aspect nearly every game lacks these days where it's either "We'll hold your hand." or "Strip back the choices and the meta!"

Eve has a niche and the current SP system fits it perfectly.

It already has. The removal of learning skills meant we went from a 2772 SP/h max speed to a mere 2700…

…but we got a better overall training mechanic as a result, so it was ok. There's pretty much no reason to make it faster than it is and quite a few reasons to prolong it. Not so much by slowing it down but by adding more skills to train. The problem is figuring out stuff that's worth-while to add without just piling on new tiers on top of what's already there.

Sorry for the confusion then, that's what i read on the forums.

I think more accelerated skill training is definitely up to CCP's discretion. BUT I personally do not understand the need for faster skill training.
I mean how many ships can you actually fly at any given time? The general answer is ONE.
In regard to training skills to level 5 it is an interesting conundrum. On one hand there are players that say the level 5 is not necessary to fly ships, which is true. But there is the other side that it does add up, which is also true. The difference is that skills at level 5 do not, SIGNIFICANTLY, provide bonuses but rather in a collective manner. For example: all related gunnery skills at level 5 will beat another player with level 4s only.

Overall, Eve is not so much a game of individualized skill training that aims to be level 5 but rather the collective synergy that players get from them. In that regard the skills are a significant key to enjoyment and semi success.

But to get the core skills to a worthwhile level does not take so long. To clarify I would argue that capacitor, armor/shield, and navigation are the core. While weapon and ship skills are the secondary depending on which faction you fly.