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Frying Doom
#21 - 2012-09-11 14:03:14 UTC
CliveWarren wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
I would be worried about having people on the CSM that could not get a mere 2 Billion is. I prefer 2 Billion if preference to 5 billion as it is a hurdle but still a small one but it will limit the number of joke candidates.

The CSM members are supposed to be people who know how the game works over all or in a specific area but as they all require isk to function, I believe isk is a reasonable measure of success.


It's not a matter of having 2 billion, it's a matter of being able to spare 2 billion just to become a candidate.

This is a volunteer position at the end of the day. Having players pay to become that is just cynical and wrong. There's other ways you can reduce joke/no-hope candidates without doing this.

Such as?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Signal11th
#22 - 2012-09-11 14:08:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Signal11th
Frying Doom wrote:
CliveWarren wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
I would be worried about having people on the CSM that could not get a mere 2 Billion is. I prefer 2 Billion if preference to 5 billion as it is a hurdle but still a small one but it will limit the number of joke candidates.

The CSM members are supposed to be people who know how the game works over all or in a specific area but as they all require isk to function, I believe isk is a reasonable measure of success.


It's not a matter of having 2 billion, it's a matter of being able to spare 2 billion just to become a candidate.

This is a volunteer position at the end of the day. Having players pay to become that is just cynical and wrong. There's other ways you can reduce joke/no-hope candidates without doing this.

Such as?



voting????

Please don't take offence FD but have you supplanted the original Frying with someone else or has he sold you this toon???

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
CliveWarren
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-09-11 14:11:06 UTC  |  Edited by: CliveWarren
Frying Doom wrote:
Such as?


Working to create a primary system would be a start. STV-ish systems would go a long way with minimizing the impact of no-hoper candidates as well.

Anything is better than charging volunteers for the right to be able to volunteer though.
Frying Doom
#24 - 2012-09-11 14:19:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Signal11th wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
CliveWarren wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
I would be worried about having people on the CSM that could not get a mere 2 Billion is. I prefer 2 Billion if preference to 5 billion as it is a hurdle but still a small one but it will limit the number of joke candidates.

The CSM members are supposed to be people who know how the game works over all or in a specific area but as they all require isk to function, I believe isk is a reasonable measure of success.


It's not a matter of having 2 billion, it's a matter of being able to spare 2 billion just to become a candidate.

This is a volunteer position at the end of the day. Having players pay to become that is just cynical and wrong. There's other ways you can reduce joke/no-hope candidates without doing this.

Such as?



voting????

Please don't take offence FD but have you supplanted the original Frying with someone else or has he sold you this toon???

No still the same me a lot more tired but still me Lol

I really was am not sure why you would think this is not me as I said I am tired but could you clarify? not enough paranoid rants maybe?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Frying Doom
#25 - 2012-09-11 14:22:33 UTC
CliveWarren wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Such as?


Working to create a primary system would be a start. STV-ish systems would go a long way with minimizing the impact of no-hoper candidates as well.

Anything is better than charging volunteers for the right to be able to volunteer though.

But don't primaries generally mean you vote twice? We can barely get people to vote once.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
CliveWarren
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-09-11 14:24:27 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
But don't primaries generally mean you vote twice? We can barely get people to vote once.


That's why I said you play with the idea. It's also why I said literally ANY idea, including leaving things as-is, is significantly better than charging volunteers for the right to volunteer.

You're good at recognizing problems - you just need to work on coming up with solutions that aren't straight out of Crazy Town
Frying Doom
#27 - 2012-09-11 14:32:55 UTC
CliveWarren wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
But don't primaries generally mean you vote twice? We can barely get people to vote once.


That's why I said you play with the idea. It's also why I said literally ANY idea, including leaving things as-is, is significantly better than charging volunteers for the right to volunteer.

You're good at recognizing problems - you just need to work on coming up with solutions that aren't straight out of Crazy Town

Crazy town is a nice place to live.

But yes a lot of my ideas are off the wall and even though my solutions generally stink they do get people talking about the problem.

I would rather be that crazy old Nut that gets people talking than someone with good ideas that gets drowned out in the static produced by these forums.

I know very well that their are a lot of people out there that can come up with better solutions than I can, if only they would talk but It normally takes people 40 pages of arguing with Null sec blocking groups before anything can really be talked about.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#28 - 2012-09-12 09:51:48 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:

I would rather be that crazy old Nut that gets people talking than someone with good ideas that gets drowned out in the static produced by these forums.


You are that static.

Look, this is pretty simple. When you come up with your "good" ideas, pretend that you are someone who doesn't think you're all that great and see if you can come up with any way to object to said "good" idea. If you can come up with 3 or more objections in less than 2 minutes, then a good rule of thumb is to simply not post it.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Frying Doom
#29 - 2012-09-12 10:35:49 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

I would rather be that crazy old Nut that gets people talking than someone with good ideas that gets drowned out in the static produced by these forums.


You are that static.

Look, this is pretty simple. When you come up with your "good" ideas, pretend that you are someone who doesn't think you're all that great and see if you can come up with any way to object to said "good" idea. If you can come up with 3 or more objections in less than 2 minutes, then a good rule of thumb is to simply not post it.

It is easy to come up with 3 objections in less than two minutes for any idea. Maybe you need to follow your own wisdom. Also I actually only ever stated posting a lot when I released that any idea on this forum that is something one of the larger blocs do not want it is automatically spammed to death. I have seen more accomplished to my aims in the meta game by being static than I have seen by those that are weak and timid.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#30 - 2012-09-12 11:10:43 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

I would rather be that crazy old Nut that gets people talking than someone with good ideas that gets drowned out in the static produced by these forums.


You are that static.

Look, this is pretty simple. When you come up with your "good" ideas, pretend that you are someone who doesn't think you're all that great and see if you can come up with any way to object to said "good" idea. If you can come up with 3 or more objections in less than 2 minutes, then a good rule of thumb is to simply not post it.


It is easy to come up with 3 objections in less than two minutes for any idea...


This has been true for all of your ideas, certainly.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Frying Doom
#31 - 2012-09-12 11:16:20 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

I would rather be that crazy old Nut that gets people talking than someone with good ideas that gets drowned out in the static produced by these forums.


You are that static.

Look, this is pretty simple. When you come up with your "good" ideas, pretend that you are someone who doesn't think you're all that great and see if you can come up with any way to object to said "good" idea. If you can come up with 3 or more objections in less than 2 minutes, then a good rule of thumb is to simply not post it.


It is easy to come up with 3 objections in less than two minutes for any idea...


This has been true for all of your ideas, certainly.

Depending upon a persons rational it is possible to come up with objections to anything But thank BoB for free speech, so STFU.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
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