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Behind enemy lines - Nullifier Proteus?
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Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#1 - 2012-09-11 13:31:54 UTC
Ok,

this fit explores a concept of being able to send a probing scout/terrorist to where people don't want one, eg through bubbled wormholes, but something that has a bit more features than a covops or bomber. As it includes a lot of stuff I've never really used and is generally not something I normally fly, I'd like to ask some opinions. It might be totally derp and I've probably overlooked something, but what I try to achieve is a defensive/evasive ship instead of mostly offensive:

- bubble immunity
- not kiteable to death by regular ships (speed and warp stab)
- some resistance to neuts
- able to kill or at least shake off something small
- bonused probing
- some tank to last while burning out of tackle
- scram to shut off an MWD

Cap battery vs booster? There's plenty of fitting left for bigger guns, duals for tracking. Active tank for fitting and mobility.

[Proteus, The Intruder]

Corelum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Damage Control II
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Corelum A-Type Energized Explosive Membrane
Warp Core Stabilizer II
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane

Core A-Type 100MN Afterburner
Warp Scrambler II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400

Dual 150mm Railgun II, Javelin M
Dual 150mm Railgun II, Javelin M
Dual 150mm Railgun II, Javelin M
Dual 150mm Railgun II, Javelin M
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Combat Scanner Probe
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Proteus Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Proteus Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Proteus Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Proteus Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier


Hornet EC-300 x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Warrior II x5
Warrior SW-300 x5


38K EHP, 349hp/s
1141m/s (1613)
156+80 = 237dps w/Javelin + Warriors

Fail or something that could be usable? How to make it better?

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Ira Infernus
Knights-of-Cydonia
#2 - 2012-09-12 00:58:09 UTC
10 seconds to lock a frigate
6 seconds to lock a cruiser
5 seconds for a battlecruiser
4.4 on a battleship

Thin as paper, enough rep to tank a cruiser, and enough DPS to give a destroyer a run for its money.

No.

[Proteus, The Predator]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Corpii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Damage Control II
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
True Sansha Warp Scrambler

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Combat Scanner Probe I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

Proteus Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
Proteus Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Proteus Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Proteus Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier



OR


[Proteus, The Predator]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Corpii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Damage Control II
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
True Sansha Warp Scrambler

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating
Proteus Electronics - Friction Extension Processor
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Proteus Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Proteus Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier


And make sure you have a scanner alt that doesnt die

You really need to lose the stab, its a terrible idea as it gimps you totally and only helps if one person is attacking you with a warp disruptor and not a scram (you are allowing yourself into scram range with THOSE guns).


The best ship I have experience using is this;

[Loki, Parabola]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Dark Blood Warp Disruptor
Gistum C-Type 10MN MicroWarpdrive
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Projectile Burst Aerator II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Loki Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#3 - 2012-09-12 05:47:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Roime
Thanks,

I fly a Proteus a lot, mostly in a cloaky, heavy tank one with drones http://deadonarrival.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=783630&view=ships_weapons&m=8&y=2012, and I'm aware of it's offensive capacity compared to the fit in OP. This one is not meant to be a primary tackler, or rely on tank & gank to survive. But like I said, totally not yet sure if the whole concept is viable at all, so comment are welcome!


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You really need to lose the stab, its a terrible idea as it gimps you totally and only helps if one person is attacking you with a warp disruptor and not a scram (you are allowing yourself into scram range with THOSE guns).


Yeah, 100MN ab and scram would be the protection against getting scrammed.

Problem with plated blaster Proteus without drones, like both of your fits, is that it can be kited to death with a Velator with small rails. Only way to avoid that is to jump back through the wormhole, if that is an option, and that is precisely what I want to avoid. ECM drones will help in this, but they don't work well for example against Tengus with the sensor strength subsys.

I want to be able to get the bookmark from the other side, and get back in system even if there are people on grid. Yes, a covops can usually do this, and much cheaper, but it can't do much else.

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Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-09-12 11:37:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Lin-Young Borovskova
For this specific use "...concept of being able to send a probing scout/terrorist to where people don't want one..." you will be cheaper/efficient enough with a reccon.
If the idea is just to have a cloacky ganker having high mobility and very decent dps then all you need is a Loki, cloacky/nullified, mwd/DED large shield booster all running cap stable.
If you do it right this thing is close to impossible to catch unless you do some stupid thing (it finishes to happen)


Edit: Prot is awesome if you have back up or escape options, if not and specially rail gun fitted you should think about something doing the same thing for cheap. Just an opinion

brb
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#5 - 2012-09-14 07:13:39 UTC
Yeah, I think I'll scrap this idea, and stick with SB/covops scout and my normal cloaky Prot or Arazu.

The evasive properties of this fit don't warrant the price and low offensive potential.

Cheers guys!

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