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Sleipnir fit: double Large ASB, X-ASB or double X-ASB?

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Shootmenot dammit
WALLTREIPERS
The Initiative.
#1 - 2012-09-10 10:31:46 UTC
I would like to get some feedback on this.

I'm trying to find a nice fitting for the Sleipnir, taking into consideration a couple of things:

-I'll be flyng in gangs.
-425mm autocannons are an absolute must for me. No 220's whatever it takes.

I got a nice one I liked, with double Large-ASB, but I was told it would be better to drop to a single XL-ASB, or even to make a double X-ASB and fit whatever I can after that.

Opinions highly appreciated.

Thanks.
SMT008
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-09-10 15:29:07 UTC
Quote:
[Sleipnir, PVP ASB]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Dread Guristas Co-Processor
Tracking Enhancer II
Internal Force Field Array I

Caldari Navy Warp Scrambler
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400

425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
[empty high slot]

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Ancillary Current Router II


Valkyrie II x4


It has dual XL-ASBs, 425mms, a MWD, a scrambler, deals 771 DPS.

Oh, and it can tank 2243 Omni-DPS before any fleet/implant bonuses.
Dibblerette
Solitude-Industries
#3 - 2012-09-10 16:18:11 UTC
SMT008 wrote:
Quote:
[Sleipnir, PVP ASB]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Dread Guristas Co-Processor
Tracking Enhancer II
Internal Force Field Array I

Caldari Navy Warp Scrambler
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400

425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
[empty high slot]

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Ancillary Current Router II


Valkyrie II x4


It has dual XL-ASBs, 425mms, a MWD, a scrambler, deals 771 DPS.

Oh, and it can tank 2243 Omni-DPS before any fleet/implant bonuses.

Disgusting.

+1
Yabba Addict
Legion of the Many
#4 - 2012-09-10 16:40:08 UTC
Beautiful...and another nail in the coffin of dual ASB
Shootmenot dammit
WALLTREIPERS
The Initiative.
#5 - 2012-09-10 17:33:59 UTC
SMT008 wrote:
Quote:
[Sleipnir, PVP ASB]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Dread Guristas Co-Processor
Tracking Enhancer II
Internal Force Field Array I

Caldari Navy Warp Scrambler
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400

425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
[empty high slot]

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Ancillary Current Router II


Valkyrie II x4


It has dual XL-ASBs, 425mms, a MWD, a scrambler, deals 771 DPS.

Oh, and it can tank 2243 Omni-DPS before any fleet/implant bonuses.


VERY interesting. This is so ridiculously good that I'm afraid to buy it, in case it gets nerfed tomorrow.

Still, I'll see if I can drop the scrambler and coprocessor for something cheaper (I'd still go with Disruptor because of my usual fleet composition), but I'll base my fit in this.

I was more inclined towards the cheap, all T2, 2xLarge ASB, but the tank, gank and damage projection in this thing is making me smile in weird ways. Too good to pass.

Thanks!


Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#6 - 2012-09-10 18:19:01 UTC
It can tank 2243 for around 40 seconds. Then its active tank dies.

Or you can run one asb, then run the other while the first is reloading.

It about halves the sustained tank, but it's workable.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter

SMT008
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-09-10 18:30:17 UTC
Tbh, I don't really like single ASB setups because of this "When you run out of charges it's over".

That's why I always try to fit a dual ASB tank.

It has a good tank. It has good DPS. It's not retardedly slow, it can track pretty well (You can get rid of the faction stuff if you fit 220mms), that's all you need in a solo ship.
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-09-10 18:49:16 UTC
this fit is bunk it dies way easier than the stats would have you believe.

fit a cap booster and a x-l or large normal shield booster, srsly.

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Belthazor4011
Battle BV Redux
#9 - 2012-09-10 20:05:10 UTC
Shootmenot dammit wrote:
-425mm autocannons are an absolute must for me. No 220's whatever it takes.


One of the dumbest things I've ever read on the forums, congrats.
Shootmenot dammit
WALLTREIPERS
The Initiative.
#10 - 2012-09-11 08:59:47 UTC
Belthazor4011 wrote:
Shootmenot dammit wrote:
-425mm autocannons are an absolute must for me. No 220's whatever it takes.


One of the dumbest things I've ever read on the forums, congrats.


I fancy a Sleipnir fit and I dig the range bonus very much, so I want it with 425mm's even if I have to make sacrifices.

If that's one of the dumbest things you've read, I can't but smirk in your general direction and kindly ask you NOT to delve any deeper in the cesspit of these forums, for your own good.

What you might find could be shocking for such an innocent one.
Shootmenot dammit
WALLTREIPERS
The Initiative.
#11 - 2012-09-11 09:11:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Shootmenot dammit
Muad 'dib wrote:
this fit is bunk it dies way easier than the stats would have you believe.

fit a cap booster and a x-l or large normal shield booster, srsly.


I am intrigued by this, as well. I am not at all familiar with traditional active shield tanking compared to ASB abusing.

If you cannot propose an alternative fit, could you elaborate on why you consider the usual shield booster fits more viable than this thing?

Thanks in advance.

EDIT: in fact, what do you think about downgrading to LARGE ASBs? I could drop all the faction stuff, fill all the highs, put another tracking enhancer instead of the coprocessor, and put a T2 RoF rig on it. Like:


Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 150
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 150
Faint Warp Disruptor I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II

425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Projectile Burst Aerator II
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II

This fits without implants, faction items or related rigging skills past IV. Lowest resistance is almost 70%, has more than 40.000 EHP on EFT, etc.

Are the Large boosters really THAT underwhelming compared to X-Large fits, that it makes no sense to fit like this?
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#12 - 2012-09-11 09:50:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Garviel Tarrant
http://shadowcartel.com/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=20847

Look at damage taken.

Its a stupid ******* fit that is stupidly ******* good.


(You need to copy the link for some reason)

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#13 - 2012-09-11 10:06:35 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
this fit is bunk it dies way easier than the stats would have you believe.

fit a cap booster and a x-l or large normal shield booster, srsly.


You literally have no idea what your talking about. Even with a booster filled with 800's, you will drun dry from boosting so quicklyy, not to mention you neut yourself with all the cap heavy mods fitted to the ship. You can easily run a medium neut with MWD and tackle when you use an ASB. An active XL booster rinses you in under a minute as well in REAL combat situations.
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#14 - 2012-09-11 10:08:59 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
http://shadowcartel.com/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=20847

Look at damage taken.

Its a stupid ******* fit that is stupidly ******* good.


(You need to copy the link for some reason)


That's quite impressive.

Personally i prefer a single XL ASB with an invuln and 425's - more damage, damage projectile and EHP. The tank is about 1500 instead of 2200 but your chances of surviving the first reload are higher... no to mention you hit like a truck to much further ranges.
Shootmenot dammit
WALLTREIPERS
The Initiative.
#15 - 2012-09-11 10:29:36 UTC
Maeltstome wrote:
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
http://shadowcartel.com/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=20847

Look at damage taken.

Its a stupid ******* fit that is stupidly ******* good.


(You need to copy the link for some reason)


That's quite impressive.

Personally i prefer a single XL ASB with an invuln and 425's - more damage, damage projectile and EHP. The tank is about 1500 instead of 2200 but your chances of surviving the first reload are higher... no to mention you hit like a truck to much further ranges.


It's indeed impressive, but it's not my intention to create the absolute toughest brick I can at all costs. I want nice gank and projection as well. "Hit like a truck to much further ranges" is the icing on the cake, here.

The single XL ASB + invuln...would it be MUCH better than 2 Large ASB + invuln as in the fit I proposed? I expect two Large ones are better if you are under smallish fire and can cycle them, but when things go pear shaped a single X-ASB is better, right?

Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-09-11 11:02:43 UTC
Maeltstome wrote:
Muad 'dib wrote:
this fit is bunk it dies way easier than the stats would have you believe.

fit a cap booster and a x-l or large normal shield booster, srsly.


You literally have no idea what your talking about. Even with a booster filled with 800's, you will drun dry from boosting so quicklyy, not to mention you neut yourself with all the cap heavy mods fitted to the ship. You can easily run a medium neut with MWD and tackle when you use an ASB. An active XL booster rinses you in under a minute as well in REAL combat situations.


dont run dual ASB sliepnirs, it gives you eye lid cancer and other nasty side effects.

Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.

Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-09-11 11:27:05 UTC
Dibblerette wrote:
SMT008 wrote:
Quote:
[Sleipnir, PVP ASB]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Dread Guristas Co-Processor
Tracking Enhancer II
Internal Force Field Array I

Caldari Navy Warp Scrambler
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400

425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
[empty high slot]

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Ancillary Current Router II


Valkyrie II x4


It has dual XL-ASBs, 425mms, a MWD, a scrambler, deals 771 DPS.

Oh, and it can tank 2243 Omni-DPS before any fleet/implant bonuses.

Disgusting.

+1



But so good Lol

brb

Shootmenot dammit
WALLTREIPERS
The Initiative.
#18 - 2012-09-11 12:00:38 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Dibblerette wrote:
SMT008 wrote:
Quote:
[Sleipnir, PVP ASB]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Dread Guristas Co-Processor
Tracking Enhancer II
Internal Force Field Array I

Caldari Navy Warp Scrambler
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400

425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
[empty high slot]

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Ancillary Current Router II


Valkyrie II x4


It has dual XL-ASBs, 425mms, a MWD, a scrambler, deals 771 DPS.

Oh, and it can tank 2243 Omni-DPS before any fleet/implant bonuses.

Disgusting.

+1



But so good Lol


It is, goddamit. But the gyros+co-processor+scrambler make this fitting close to 700 millions (hull included), approximately.

I want to convince myself that, come a situation where I have to tank THAT much, I'm screwed anyways, so I can get away with double Large and T2 everything...but this thing looks so good.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-09-11 12:03:44 UTC
Shootmenot dammit wrote:
It is, goddamit. But the gyros+co-processor+scrambler make this fitting close to 700 millions (hull included), approximately.

I want to convince myself that, come a situation where I have to tank THAT much, I'm screwed anyways, so I can get away with double Large and T2 everything...but this thing looks so good.



Pick ELChicoo's one, 700dps with hail and an awesome tank as you can see on the KM.

brb

Shootmenot dammit
WALLTREIPERS
The Initiative.
#20 - 2012-09-11 12:12:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Shootmenot dammit
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Shootmenot dammit wrote:
It is, goddamit. But the gyros+co-processor+scrambler make this fitting close to 700 millions (hull included), approximately.

I want to convince myself that, come a situation where I have to tank THAT much, I'm screwed anyways, so I can get away with double Large and T2 everything...but this thing looks so good.



Pick ELChicoo's one, 700dps with hail and an awesome tank as you can see on the KM.


Yeah, I think I have three choices:

-Pick the one from the lossmail and forget about my beloved 425mm's.
-Invest an additional 300 millions and combine said tank with the 425mm's, praying not to become a comedy lossmail in this thing.
-Go with the double Large ASB and enjoy 800 DPS with RF ammo while not being able to tank more than 1000 DPS more or less.

Choices...choices.
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