Warfare & Tactics

Question for PvP folks out there who have fought against Thanatos carriers and live in wormholes:

I totally suck at PvP--so bear with me.

Suppose you have a target you are going to strike--a small corp that lives in a Class 1 Wormhole (only Battlecruiser and smaller ships can fit inside, 20 million kg limit). The target corp keeps a Thanatos they've built inside the Class 1, but they never bring it out unless they have a couple of battleships or T3 cruisers as support for it. (They build the BS inside their class 1 also). You'd love that juicy killmail against a carrier, but your own corp is pretty small (typically only 7-8 players on at a time, a dozen if we're lucky).

We think the target Thanatos does not equip a triage module normally, but it does seem to be set up for cap transfer and assigning drones to the other players. They don't seem to use the Thanatos for running C1 sites (overkill), but mostly to break POS sieges and drive away invaders. The other player's ships seemed to be a bit specialized toward fighting smaller, faster ships (which makes sense with the size limitations on their wormhole).

If a fleet wanted to attack that Thanatos when it's away from the POS, what ships should they bring to do the job, and how many ships would it take to knock it out? Can we do it with only 7-8 players, assuming we catch them with only 3 of the targets online--1 in the thanny, and the other two in their BS or T3 ships? I'm pretty sure a hictor would be useful if we bubbled the Thanatos, but beyond that, I'm not sure what else to throw in the fleet. For fleet composition, would long range snipers like oracles or similar be sufficient with a close-up tackler frigate? We're trying to think through whether such an attack would be worthwhile or not, given our small numbers and the WH size limitations. Suggestions on fleet makeup? Can 7-8 dudes in BC or smaller ships reasonably take out 3-4 players in Battleships and a Carrier who are set up for fighting smaller, faster opponents? Or is this just a waste of our time?

7-8 dudes in tengus can kill a Thanatos and any support in seconds.

Dread Pirate Pete wrote: 1. "Sneak Pos into system, 2. build Nyx"

We jokingly talked about that, but to haul in the cap parts would take, what 144 trips in a Prorator? Since the static exits are nulsec, and lowsec, we aren't too wild about that--figuring that would take a couple montths without direct to high-sec routes. :)

Trendon Evenstar wrote: 7-8 Tengus can kill a Thanatos and any support in seconds.

Wow--Really? In like 2-3 volleys? How much DPS does 1 Tengu do when fully pimped?

Angsty Teenager wrote: Bring a fleet of T3's + Logi. So assuming 8 guys, bring 2 guardians, 4 proteuses, and 2 neut legions or something.

We'd been considering the 2 guardians, though would 3 be better given how much repping power a carrier has? We've only got 2-3 T3 pilots, but we have several available logis (which is why we were thinking oracles for rest of fleet composition).

7-8 tengus can't kill a thanny in seconds, he's exaggerating. Assuming you're running HML max deeps tengus, you're getting like 700dps each, so at max that's 5800dps. Even an untriaged thanny can tank ~3000-4000dps and has 1mil + ehp, so it's still going to take a while though it's theoretically possible.

You're better off just bringing a gang to fight whatever they bring, and having enough neuts to force the thanny to cap out.

EDIT: I don't really know why you would need more than 2 guardians--the thanny's repping power has nothing to do with it, and there is no way that 3-4BS can kill a T3 with 2 sets of guardian reps on it (I assume that you will keep the guardians ~50km away from the fight since there is no need to have them close--and hence they won't be taking fire, or if they are, limited fire since they're at range).

Probably your best bet is to bring the comp I suggested (not exactly, but along the lines of 2 logi, 4 dps, 2 neut support, preferrably all high tank T3's), and stick all the neuts on the thanny and try breaking the tank of the BS's, that'll make the thanny waste tons of cap to keep up T1 resisted BS's (if he even can), and once he caps out, finish off the BS's and then kill him.

Keep in mind that they'll likely reship if they die, so you should be prepared. I would try getting as many people as you can, more than just 8.

EDIT 2: If you can't bring all T3's, I suppose oracles are fine as long as you keep them in range. Haven't some close range T3 tackle and neut support I would argue is probably pretty important, so if you could do like 2 logi, 4 oracles, 2 neut/tackle legions, that might work. Thing is that then you miss out on having 4 proteuses with lots of dps and tackle at close rnage.

Regardless, the idea behind what I posted is more or less pretty general. Just bring enough rep power to tank your ships, bring enough neuts to put at least some neut pressure on the thanny, and bring more than ~3000dps.

Should be, particularly if you AB fit it. Has like 70 sig and goes ~600m/s.

It's your call. I don't particularly see the need for more than 2 guardians, though depending on how tanked you plan to have your oracles, you might want 3. I would personally be 100% confident with 2 guardians w/ all T3s.

I would be less concerned about fighters and sentries (since fighters literally will not be doing any meaningful dps to your ships, and you can kill sentries), than I would about them having vindis/bhaals that could really **** with your ****.

Basicly the best way to kill a carrier with only subcaps is to cap him out.

No bhaals in a c1 so get neut legions (1-3) your logi (as many as possible) and dps (whatever you like)

3 guardians and 4+ DPS T3s will do it easy.
hell, 3 guards and 5+ DPS HACs will be fine too.

Tier 3 battlecruisers with falcon support and some logi will do wonders; 1000 dps per Talos adds up quick. I've never tried, but I think they're immune to jamming while in triage, so the falcon is to deal with support ships if there are any.

Some tech 3 neuting support would be great too.

Svodola Darkfury.

Someone in a SEBO thrasher on pod duty is always useful in WHs. You pod the enemy's ass out of the WH and he cant get in another ship and come back to the fight

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