Jita Park Speakers Corner

Hi Thar!




He stated that the CSM believes xyz. That’s fine. They can believe anything they want and should have the opportunity to present it for discussion. I think people jump to the conclusion that OMFG they've already decided that this is what they are going to try and accomplish and are only interested in presenting here so that seems impartial. Then they can get on with the serious assfucking they've been planning all along.

I know-ish Trebor. I know that he has a personal dislike for TheMittani. I also think that he's a mature enough guy that’s not going to allow his dislike for of one person to lead him on a path that refuses to allow compromise on a topic he's specifically asked for feedback on.

I don't think that it’s his intent nor the CSM as a whole to anally abusing the GoonNation. They believe that there is an issue with the voting system. They’ve talked about and came up with this (In my opinion) Clusterfuck of a voting system that allows your votes to transfer or whatever and they are asking for input on their ideas.

I think it’s fair and right that people including you and myself have the chance to state that any attempt to specifically alienate a huge block of players in such a way that there seems to be an active 'Them' out to get an 'Us' is stupid and will lead not to helping the game out but in denying it monies in the form of loss of subscriptions as well as a feeling of **** it I'm not logging in to that ****** game which denies the player driven conflict that is the mother's milk of EVE.

I agree. As stated above

So many things wrong with that, I'm not even going to bother with a quotes nest, I'll just do a quick point-by-point.

1. Nobody cares how nice a guy Trebor is, or what his intentions might truly have been. We care about what he actually said, and what he actually said was that the GSF voting bloc needs to have its power reduced via a system. That's not a reaching interpretation or anything, he actually SAID IT.

2. The issue we had was brought up very early, and instead of being acknowleged as a thing, was met with Hans trying to pin the entire idea on Trebor, Two Step trying to say the entire thread's true goal was "discussion", Seleene calling it all "tinfoil" and Alekseyev trying his best to use Mittani's removal from this CSM as a strawman ("BUT BUT YOU GUYS LOST 10,000 VOTES! WE'RE JUST TRYING TO ~HELP~!"). How can the CSM reasonably expect discussion when the initial attempt at such was met with derision and dismissal?

3. If their system was not designed with reducing the power of the GSF voting bloc, then why was the extreme case of GSF success in this past election used as a benchmark? There isn't a single other bloc in the game who can even approach that kind of power right now, and yet there's an attempt to nerf that power. It's not reaching in the slightest to take the CSM proposed sugggestion as a direct attack on the GSF, because guess what? IT IS.

I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they're trying to arrive at a joint decision in their Skype channel or whereever they debate things, instead of just trying to sit this out until the bad people go away.

Fear?

**** that.

Let it go through *JUST LIKE IT IS*.

Burn jita would look like a sleepover in 4th grade. Monoclegate would be look like a rain-shower compared to a hurricane. And I for one (and tonnnes of others, even those who, like me, aren't testes/goonies fanbois) would join in whatever organized mayhem they decided on.

Not only that, can you imagine the vote rigging that *would* go down if anything like that happened? Better to just sit in the corner and p and moan about how "organization > disorganization".

Besides, I'm an American. Disenfranchised voters are nothing new to me...

I may be wrong, but something tells me goons' response to getting shafted by the CSM and/or CCP will not be to create exciting new in-game content like Burn Jita.

The OP looks good enough to me. It opens the possibility, without enforcing it, for candidates to form political parties if so they wish.

I posted a different way of changing the election process here, which have the benefit of a built-in public exit polling.

A couple suggestions:
- Changing the election process is one side of the equation. The other side that is equally important is to increase the awareness and visibility in the client. A one-time ad in the login screen that people skip so fast they don't even read it is not enough. If you do manage to get some dev time, also request them to improve things on this. For instance, they could add an icon in the neocon during the election period that points to the voting page and also a notification (similar to completed skills) that the currently logged account still didn't vote.

- Since this will probably be updated in the CSM white paper, you can add a paragraph stating that the new election process, whichever it may be based on this discussion, will be evaluated during the following elections and if it doesn't accomplish what it was intended to or some other flaws are discovered it may be reverted back or further iterated.

Meh. Take the time to do it right, or don't do it at all. We already have a compromised voting system; we don't need another one.

Didn't want that CSM anyway, amirite?

Not taking a "pro-" or "anti-" Goon stance myself, but my hope is that the "anti-Goon" side realizes that installing a broken voting system to spite one alliance is the very model of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Nobody who takes the CSM even half seriously wants a broken voting mechanism.