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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3481 - 2012-09-09 20:17:22 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Corina Jarr wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Logistic pilots still only have a choice of two ships.


This is true but it's because armor logis are useless.

Interestingly, the majority of station game logis are Guardians.


Armour logi are still good. The limiting factor is that the fleet will only use shield or armour.
Yokai Mitsuhide
Doomheim
#3482 - 2012-09-09 20:19:14 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:


Yeah...but nobody specialized in logistic ships and nothing else unless it's an alt with that purpose...and in that case they have nothing to complain about since that was what they were created for. Just sayin...we have so few ships for our profession...sucks to not have any cool high end tough ships like you combat pilots have : \
But than again, it's mining...perhaps I am expecting a little too much out of it.


nobody specialized in mining ships and nothing else unless it's an alt with that purpose...and in that case they have nothing to complain about since that was what they were created for. Just sayin.

It works both ways although you have three times more options than logistic pilots.


I only mine...
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3483 - 2012-09-09 20:21:36 UTC
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:

I only mine...


So you made the choice to limit yourself then didnt you.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3484 - 2012-09-09 20:48:29 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
So you made the choice to limit yourself then didnt you.


Well, I limited my alt to Orca in the beginning, but I kinda had to train "a few" other skills too... So my alt is actually far better than my main in few special areas.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3485 - 2012-09-10 05:03:35 UTC
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:


Yeah...but nobody specialized in logistic ships and nothing else unless it's an alt with that purpose...and in that case they have nothing to complain about since that was what they were created for. Just sayin...we have so few ships for our profession...sucks to not have any cool high end tough ships like you combat pilots have : \
But than again, it's mining...perhaps I am expecting a little too much out of it.


nobody specialized in mining ships and nothing else unless it's an alt with that purpose...and in that case they have nothing to complain about since that was what they were created for. Just sayin.

It works both ways although you have three times more options than logistic pilots.


I only mine...

As baltec said, it was your choice then to limit yourself to those 6 ships. What role could more mining ships possibly fill?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Pipa Porto
#3486 - 2012-09-10 05:18:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
No, it's true because for any gang you'll be using either armor or shield.


Nobody uses armor in fleets. Scimi and Basi are superior in big fleets compared to armor logis. I've seen many Abaddons with shield buffer.


Link one major fleet fight battle report with Shield Abaddons or stop lying.

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Buck Futz
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3487 - 2012-09-10 07:11:48 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
No, it's true because for any gang you'll be using either armor or shield.


Nobody uses armor in fleets. Scimi and Basi are superior in big fleets compared to armor logis. I've seen many Abaddons with shield buffer.


Link one major fleet fight battle report with Shield Abaddons or stop lying.


This should be good.
MinefieldS
1 Sick Duck Standss on something
#3488 - 2012-09-10 08:14:51 UTC  |  Edited by: MinefieldS
Pipa Porto wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
No, it's true because for any gang you'll be using either armor or shield.


Nobody uses armor in fleets. Scimi and Basi are superior in big fleets compared to armor logis. I've seen many Abaddons with shield buffer.


Link one major fleet fight battle report with Shield Abaddons or stop lying.

>> High>>>>>>>> ABSURDITY LEVEL >>>>> Extremely High >>>>>>>>> CCP dev blog >>>>>>>>
Drake w/ lasers > Shield Abaddon > Wyvern w/ Gist X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#3489 - 2012-09-10 11:58:08 UTC
MinefieldS wrote:
Wyvern w/ Gist X-Type X-Large Shield Booster

I need to see this.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3490 - 2012-09-10 18:16:11 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
MinefieldS wrote:
Wyvern w/ Gist X-Type X-Large Shield Booster

I need to see this.


I think I saw this one.

Not as good as the nyx that was lost to anom rats mind you.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3491 - 2012-09-10 18:35:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Pipa Porto wrote:
Link one major fleet fight battle report with Shield Abaddons or stop lying.


Goons use Drake blobs nowadays...

If you gankers want me to use Skiffs instead of Macks, could you guys be so nice and give 4 of those.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3492 - 2012-09-10 18:47:31 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Link one major fleet fight battle report with Shield Abaddons or stop lying.


Goons use Drake blobs nowadays...

Yeah, cause that's the only thing they fly ever.

Also confirming Goons are the only alliance I could have possibly been talking about, as opposed to my own for example which does have a Hellcat (armor tanked megapulse Abaddon) doctrine complete with armor logi and tech 3 armor heavy tackle.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#3493 - 2012-09-10 18:58:33 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Link one major fleet fight battle report with Shield Abaddons or stop lying.


Goons use Drake blobs nowadays...

Yeah, cause that's the only thing they fly ever.

Also confirming Goons are the only alliance I could have possibly been talking about, as opposed to my own for example which does have a Hellcat (armor tanked megapulse Abaddon) doctrine complete with armor logi and tech 3 armor heavy tackle.

There are armor groups that go around. Just recently I saw xxDeath in their AHACs pew pewing with lasers.

Before and after that, I saw NC. and IRC sending armor HACs as well.

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betoli
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3494 - 2012-09-10 19:53:40 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

As baltec said, it was your choice then to limit yourself to those 6 ships. What role could more mining ships possibly fill?


Given that CCP are planning an ORE frig, one might conjecture an ORE frig Smile

Also stealthy, speedy, ewar defended, armor tanky, ranged, t3/reconfigurable. In fact one could list all the things that make the combat ships diverse apart from the attack specialisations....

Did CCP post recently that 25% of people mine? As such a large profession its fantastically under represented in ships - but mainly its under represented in effort. I think they'd be better spending their time on the mining game mechanics to reduce the botability and boredom factors than making a dozen more barges - though a cloaky T3 indy/hybrid miner one would be fun.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3495 - 2012-09-10 21:48:00 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
betoli wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

As baltec said, it was your choice then to limit yourself to those 6 ships. What role could more mining ships possibly fill?


Given that CCP are planning an ORE frig, one might conjecture an ORE frig Smile

Also stealthy, speedy, ewar defended, armor tanky, ranged, t3/reconfigurable. In fact one could list all the things that make the combat ships diverse apart from the attack specialisations....

Did CCP post recently that 25% of people mine? As such a large profession its fantastically under represented in ships - but mainly its under represented in effort. I think they'd be better spending their time on the mining game mechanics to reduce the botability and boredom factors than making a dozen more barges - though a cloaky T3 indy/hybrid miner one would be fun.


The ORE frigate is meant to replace the racial mining frigates that were repurposed due to tiericide.

And why do you need any of those? You can fit a cloak to a mining barge, asking for a covert ops cloak is just ridiculous. The Skiff/Procurer have gotten pretty speedy. There's literally no reason to use ECM on a mining barge, so there's no reason to have EWAR defense. There's no real reason to need separate barges for armor tanking. There's no need for configurable barges. The point is that mining barges sit in one spot and extract ore. That's all they have to do. There's not really many different roles that would accomplish the exact same thing.

You want your tanky exhumer? Use a Skiff. Want cargo? Use a Mack. Want yield above all else? Use a Hulk.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Hypercake Mix
#3496 - 2012-09-10 22:20:25 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
The Skiff/Procurer have gotten pretty speedy.

Procurers are not speedy.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3497 - 2012-09-10 22:25:40 UTC
Hypercake Mix wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
The Skiff/Procurer have gotten pretty speedy.

Procurers are not speedy.

250 m/s for a mining barge isn't half bad. Of course most miner scrubs probably don't have Navigation V, but that's hardly CCP's fault, is it?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Hypercake Mix
#3498 - 2012-09-10 22:30:24 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
250 m/s for a mining barge isn't half bad. Of course most miner scrubs probably don't have Navigation V, but that's hardly CCP's fault, is it?

Skiff's base speed is 200m/s. Procurer's is 90m/s.
It's like, the #1 reason I fly Skiff over the other barges.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3499 - 2012-09-10 22:38:24 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Ah, that's what I get for assuming the Proc had the same base speed as the Skiff.
To be honest I think slower barges are better, so that you can mine webbed + aligned at 75% speed and you'll be in range of the roids for a really long time.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Hypercake Mix
#3500 - 2012-09-10 23:04:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Hypercake Mix
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Ah, that's what I get for assuming the Proc had the same base speed as the Skiff.
To be honest I think slower barges are better, so that you can mine webbed + aligned at 75% speed and you'll be in range of the roids for a really long time.

It strangely kept its base speed from when it was a Mercoxit ship and can effectively fit and use an AB because of that... well, effectively ignoring the bad things about mining at 650m/s.