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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#61 - 2012-09-10 15:22:39 UTC
Bloutok wrote:
The only real problem with high sec is that one cannot defend, we are all sitting ducks, you cannot counter someone who knows he is going to die whatever the result of his attack will be. The ganking side will do it right and you die or you will smile a big smile.

I have no idea how to fix that in a way that is "sandbox thinking people" friendly.

CCP could always code something like, if someone red box you in high sec, you get 5 seconds while the ganking side guns do not fire, but they are GCC. Falcon to the rescue.

Or make all kinds of transport, mining ships have a 1 million armor and shield bonus in high sec.

Or make it impossible to fire at someone if you are not at war with that person..........


The real problem is how wrong you are. You absolutely CAN defend against gankers in hisec. Just because you're terrible and wont even try doesn't mean it isn't possible and CCP should turn the game into hello kitty online for babies
Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#62 - 2012-09-10 15:23:42 UTC
don't carry too much value in a single freighter. when the isk:ehp ratio exceeds a certain value then it becomes profitable to gank for cargo drop. always has been this way ALWAYS SHOULD BE THIS WAY.

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#63 - 2012-09-10 15:25:28 UTC
Even when failwatch drops and makes hisec that much more wowlike and terrible, the idiots will STILL complain about losing a ship as a result of their own bad decisions, like carrying 17 plex in a frigate
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#64 - 2012-09-10 15:26:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Even when failwatch drops and makes hisec that much more wowlike and terrible, the idiots will STILL complain about losing a ship as a result of their own bad decisions, like carrying 17 plex in a frigate


That didn't drop X

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Bloutok
Perkone
Caldari State
#65 - 2012-09-10 15:29:26 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Bloutok wrote:
The only real problem with high sec is that one cannot defend, we are all sitting ducks, you cannot counter someone who knows he is going to die whatever the result of his attack will be. The ganking side will do it right and you die or you will smile a big smile.

I have no idea how to fix that in a way that is "sandbox thinking people" friendly.

CCP could always code something like, if someone red box you in high sec, you get 5 seconds while the ganking side guns do not fire, but they are GCC. Falcon to the rescue.

Or make all kinds of transport, mining ships have a 1 million armor and shield bonus in high sec.

Or make it impossible to fire at someone if you are not at war with that person..........


The real problem is how wrong you are. You absolutely CAN defend against gankers in hisec. Just because you're terrible and wont even try doesn't mean it isn't possible and CCP should turn the game into hello kitty online for babies


You forgot to put something that as meaning in your post, so i will answer at your level of thinking.

The real problem is how wrong you are because your mother gave you everything except a brain.

You can absolutely not defend in high sec and i do not see any reason to say why because ... because. Well, because.

The hello kitty part. it's so dumb to begin with that i just cant find a way to reach your low brain power, i have no idea how to go that far down in the monkey chain of life.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#66 - 2012-09-10 15:31:43 UTC
Bloutok wrote:
The only real problem with high sec is that one cannot defend, we are all sitting ducks, you cannot counter someone who knows he is going to die whatever the result of his attack will be. The ganking side will do it right and you die or you will smile a big smile.

I have no idea how to fix that in a way that is "sandbox thinking people" friendly.

CCP could always code something like, if someone red box you in high sec, you get 5 seconds while the ganking side guns do not fire, but they are GCC. Falcon to the rescue.

Or make all kinds of transport, mining ships have a 1 million armor and shield bonus in high sec.

Or make it impossible to fire at someone if you are not at war with that person..........

All of these suggestions are absolutely pants-on-head ********.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#67 - 2012-09-10 15:32:56 UTC
Bloutok wrote:
You can absolutely not defend in high sec and i do not see any reason to say why because ... because. Well, because.


Did You Know that anybody with a GCC is a legal target?

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Wibla
Tactical Narcotics Team
#68 - 2012-09-10 15:34:28 UTC
Mohamad Transporte wrote:
just few minutes ago... Goons has destroyed 4 freighters in high sec (u can check eve-kill.net), total drop worth 21.5 billion isk!!!

21.5 Billion isk people!!!!

that beats 10/10 DED, FW Missions and incursions all together!!

if u want all alliances to leave their 0.0 systems and just go fun terrorizing high sec and earn money for that... stay cool about it CCP... as it will destroy the game

u gave protection for miners... its time for freighters/ JF revamp...


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Dramaticus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#69 - 2012-09-10 15:36:13 UTC
WHY DOES MY AFK DEFENSELESS SHIP NOT SURVIVE AN ATTACK THIS IS AN OUTRAGE CCP MUST DO SOMETHING BECAUSE I WILL NOT

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The edge is REALLY hard to see at times but it DOES exist and in this case we were looking at a situation where a new feature created for all of our customers was being virtually curbstomped by five of them
Yokai Mitsuhide
Doomheim
#70 - 2012-09-10 15:37:13 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Even when failwatch drops and makes hisec that much more wowlike and terrible, the idiots will STILL complain about losing a ship as a result of their own bad decisions, like carrying 17 plex in a frigate


And people like you will still whine about people complaining, which btw is far more annoying.
Bloutok
Perkone
Caldari State
#71 - 2012-09-10 15:37:45 UTC
Andski wrote:
Bloutok wrote:
You can absolutely not defend in high sec and i do not see any reason to say why because ... because. Well, because.


Did You Know that anybody with a GCC is a legal target?


O_o

Yes, what's your point ?

In the case here, someone may have been bumped 800km away from a gate, to defend, whoever would have wanted to, needed to GCC first or counter bump.... Wow !!!!

Else, you cannot counter alpha. There isn't even a point to firing back cause the guy is gonna die anyway, unless you like kill mails.
Bloutok
Perkone
Caldari State
#72 - 2012-09-10 15:43:42 UTC
Dramaticus wrote:
WHY DOES MY AFK DEFENSELESS SHIP NOT SURVIVE AN ATTACK THIS IS AN OUTRAGE CCP MUST DO SOMETHING BECAUSE I WILL NOT


What i am saying is that there should be a way to react. Someone AFK will obviously not whatever the way to react may be.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#73 - 2012-09-10 15:44:32 UTC
Bloutok wrote:
Yes, what's your point ?
His point is that you can defend yourself (and others) in highsec.
stoicfaux
#74 - 2012-09-10 15:44:37 UTC
You can't fix Stupid, but you can at least let them pull the trigger themselves and absolve all responsibility with a clearly visible warning message.

The statistics for profitable cargo ganking are pretty well established. Now that the GUI lists the estimated ISK price of the goods in our cargo, we just add a warning message that pop-ups when you undock with goods exceeding a certain threshold versus your ship's EHP (as per fitting window.) For bonus points CCP can add the 'number of ships destroyed in the last 24 hours' statistic to the warning. Just print the total for your route.

"Do you really want to undock with 2.3 billion isk worth of cargo in a 833 EHP Kestrel, bearing in mind that 1,234 ships have been destroyed in the last 24 hours along the route you have chosen." Click 'Yes' or 'No'.


For redundancy, the same message can appear when you click on auto-pilot with high-value cargo.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#75 - 2012-09-10 15:48:08 UTC
One web from a corp mate would have solved the issue.

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Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#76 - 2012-09-10 15:50:04 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY FREIGHTER PILOTS, ONCE ******** CRIMEWATCH COMES AROUND NOBODY WILL GANK YOUR PRECIOUS FREIGHTER FULL OF 50 BILL ISK CARGO BECAUSE THEY CAN'T SCOOP IT WITHOUT BEING FREELY SHOT AT BY ANYONE.


You put too much faith in people being kind. Why would any of us drop what we are doing to hunt some crimenal for no incentive? Ooooo... That guy has a crime flag, let's stop our current profitable endeavour that we enjoy to go ahoot someone who most likely is better prepared and is hoping we come to our deaths.

Sorry, just because someone can be shot by anyone does not mean everyone will come running to shoot them.
Buck Futz
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#77 - 2012-09-10 15:52:38 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:

Those freighter pilots could also set an escort fleet and take care of their business but no, they rather play alone with their dozen alts scouting systems and then cry their millions HP hull got gank with several dozens times the ship value in their cargo.

Gank mining barges with destroyers is silly, really really mongoloid game play. Gank freighters it's serious business and only serious gankers can afford to know when and how to do it, I see no problem here.


Totally gutless. Translation?
"See, I fly Exhumers, so when Hulks get ganked its totally ridiculous and therefore deserve a buff."
"Freighter pilots? F those guys."
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#78 - 2012-09-10 15:57:01 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY FREIGHTER PILOTS, ONCE ******** CRIMEWATCH COMES AROUND NOBODY WILL GANK YOUR PRECIOUS FREIGHTER FULL OF 50 BILL ISK CARGO BECAUSE THEY CAN'T SCOOP IT WITHOUT BEING FREELY SHOT AT BY ANYONE.


You put too much faith in people being kind. Why would any of us drop what we are doing to hunt some crimenal for no incentive? Ooooo... That guy has a crime flag, let's stop our current profitable endeavour that we enjoy to go ahoot someone who most likely is better prepared and is hoping we come to our deaths.

Sorry, just because someone can be shot by anyone does not mean everyone will come running to shoot them.

Except when they're in a freighter and just happen to be carrying juicy loot.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#79 - 2012-09-10 16:03:57 UTC  |  Edited by: The Slayer
Ranger 1 wrote:
One web from a corp mate would have solved the issue.

This exactly. Teaming up with ONE whole other person makes you nearly immune to ganks AND lowers your travel time (shorter align time = faster travelling) so splitting up your 20bil stack of goods into smaller bits doesn't hurt as much. Lazy, stupid people don't deserve their nice expensive loot, this is why we take it from them.
Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#80 - 2012-09-10 16:16:21 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Jim Hazard wrote:
In the end if you buff freighters most likely you will only make suicide ganking more profitable as people will feel a lot more secure and will carry around even more in their cargo holds.

Perhaps that "pvp" thing in highsec is getting a bit inconvenient for some people, huh.



How is it PVP when the other player can't fight back? Hmm makes sense.

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