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Tengu with rigs. How to fit it.
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Jasmine Althour
Wait for a while
#1 - 2012-09-10 10:45:05 UTC
I have a Tengu with 2 Medium Core Defense Field Extender II rigs and a Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II rig.
With out getting rid of the rigs what is a got fit for level 4 missions or solo wormhole?
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-09-10 10:54:24 UTC
you do not want these rigs for missions. if you use them, you might as well fly a drake instead of a tengu. it *might* be useful in C3 wormholes wih their neutnig battleships but honestly, if you wnat to go into wspace you might as well leave this one in a pos for when some hostiles come to visit.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-09-10 12:21:42 UTC
Jasmine Althour wrote:
I have a Tengu with 2 Medium Core Defense Field Extender II rigs and a Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II rig.
With out getting rid of the rigs what is a got fit for level 4 missions or solo wormhole?


You WILL waste a lot of your dps if you don't change your rigs. Use at least 1 acceleration bay and 1 flare+1 EM or extender.
Then for lvl 4's a couple faction BCUs T2 launchers T2+Faction ammo, pick a faction AB everything else can be T2 it's more than enough to burn through lvl 4's and even 5's.
However this is only possible if you have very good fitting skills and perfect missile skills to get the best dps out of it (750 with T2's and over 900 over heat)
Of course the SB should be Dead space mod but size will change depending on how you play, your skills, mission difficulty level (4 or 5) ans space you fly (high/low), for wh can't help you.

brb
Metal Icarus
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#4 - 2012-09-10 14:02:20 UTC
The key to the tngu is cap stability. Even if it is just by 1.0Gj/s, that is enough to be stable. You need to be able to run all your mods without running out of cap.

That is why you see faction and deadspace mods, like the sm shield booster. In some cases it is nice to have a bigger amount boosted, but it is more important to have less cap use.
stoicfaux
#5 - 2012-09-10 14:04:44 UTC
Jasmine Althour wrote:
I have a Tengu with 2 Medium Core Defense Field Extender II rigs and a Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II rig.
With out getting rid of the rigs what is a got fit for level 4 missions or solo wormhole?

For level 4s, use a standard Tengu PvE fit. (4x BCUs, AB, Fury ammo for cruisers and up, T1 for elite frigates.) However, try to slap on a TP to make up for the lack of a rigor rig. You could use a web, but some elite frigates like to orbit just outside web range.

If you start getting hit too hard, switch to T1 ammo (since Fury missiles penalize your sig.) Shouldn't be an issue though.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Exploited Engineer
Creatively Applied Violence Inc.
#6 - 2012-09-10 16:44:49 UTC
Jasmine Althour wrote:
I have a Tengu with 2 Medium Core Defense Field Extender II rigs and a Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II rig.
With out getting rid of the rigs what is a got fit for level 4 missions or solo wormhole?


Easy:

1. Buy another Tengu (no subsystems, though)
2. Stick all subsytems from rigged Tengu on yet-to-be-rigged Tengu
3. Put appropriate rigs on yet-to-be-rigged Tengu

Problem solved.
Jasmine Althour
Wait for a while
#7 - 2012-09-11 08:13:04 UTC
Looks like I'll need another Tengu. Is the current one good for anything?
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-09-11 13:01:07 UTC
Jasmine Althour wrote:
Looks like I'll need another Tengu. Is the current one good for anything?

pvp. or maybe tanking lvl5 missions.

I should buy an Ishtar.
stoicfaux
#9 - 2012-09-11 13:42:10 UTC
Exploited Engineer wrote:
Jasmine Althour wrote:
I have a Tengu with 2 Medium Core Defense Field Extender II rigs and a Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II rig.
With out getting rid of the rigs what is a got fit for level 4 missions or solo wormhole?


Easy:

1. Buy another Tengu (no subsystems, though)
2. Stick all subsytems from rigged Tengu on yet-to-be-rigged Tengu
3. Put appropriate rigs on yet-to-be-rigged Tengu

Problem solved.

Don't think that works. You'll need a second set of subsystems for a 2nd Tengu hull because you can't remove subsystems from the first Tengu hull, instead you have to replace them. Swapping out the "good" subsystems with cheap subsystems is an option.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-09-11 14:41:43 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Exploited Engineer wrote:
Jasmine Althour wrote:
I have a Tengu with 2 Medium Core Defense Field Extender II rigs and a Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II rig.
With out getting rid of the rigs what is a got fit for level 4 missions or solo wormhole?


Easy:

1. Buy another Tengu (no subsystems, though)
2. Stick all subsytems from rigged Tengu on yet-to-be-rigged Tengu
3. Put appropriate rigs on yet-to-be-rigged Tengu

Problem solved.

Don't think that works. You'll need a second set of subsystems for a 2nd Tengu hull because you can't remove subsystems from the first Tengu hull, instead you have to replace them. Swapping out the "good" subsystems with cheap subsystems is an option.



you can remove the subs if you repackage the ship trololol

I should buy an Ishtar.
stoicfaux
#11 - 2012-09-11 16:26:43 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Exploited Engineer wrote:
Jasmine Althour wrote:
I have a Tengu with 2 Medium Core Defense Field Extender II rigs and a Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II rig.
With out getting rid of the rigs what is a got fit for level 4 missions or solo wormhole?


Easy:

1. Buy another Tengu (no subsystems, though)
2. Stick all subsytems from rigged Tengu on yet-to-be-rigged Tengu
3. Put appropriate rigs on yet-to-be-rigged Tengu

Problem solved.

Don't think that works. You'll need a second set of subsystems for a 2nd Tengu hull because you can't remove subsystems from the first Tengu hull, instead you have to replace them. Swapping out the "good" subsystems with cheap subsystems is an option.



you can remove the subs if you repackage the ship trololol

And lose the rigs by doing so, which is what the OP is trying to avoid doing.



Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Exploited Engineer
Creatively Applied Violence Inc.
#12 - 2012-09-11 17:10:37 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Don't think that works. You'll need a second set of subsystems for a 2nd Tengu hull because you can't remove subsystems from the first Tengu hull, instead you have to replace them. Swapping out the "good" subsystems with cheap subsystems is an option.


Rats. I knew I had overlooked something.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-09-12 00:37:50 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Exploited Engineer wrote:
Jasmine Althour wrote:
I have a Tengu with 2 Medium Core Defense Field Extender II rigs and a Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II rig.
With out getting rid of the rigs what is a got fit for level 4 missions or solo wormhole?


Easy:

1. Buy another Tengu (no subsystems, though)
2. Stick all subsytems from rigged Tengu on yet-to-be-rigged Tengu
3. Put appropriate rigs on yet-to-be-rigged Tengu

Problem solved.

Don't think that works. You'll need a second set of subsystems for a 2nd Tengu hull because you can't remove subsystems from the first Tengu hull, instead you have to replace them. Swapping out the "good" subsystems with cheap subsystems is an option.



you can remove the subs if you repackage the ship trololol

And lose the rigs by doing so, which is what the OP is trying to avoid doing.




you don't say...

I should buy an Ishtar.
Jasmine Althour
Wait for a while
#14 - 2012-09-12 08:44:56 UTC
So looks like I'll repackage it if no one can come up with a fitting it is good for.
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#15 - 2012-09-13 09:57:03 UTC
Metal Icarus wrote:
The key to the tngu is cap stability. Even if it is just by 1.0Gj/s, that is enough to be stable. You need to be able to run all your mods without running out of cap.

That is why you see faction and deadspace mods, like the sm shield booster. In some cases it is nice to have a bigger amount boosted, but it is more important to have less cap use.



Oh dear
Nestara Aldent
Citimatics
#16 - 2012-09-13 10:25:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Nestara Aldent
Jasmine Althour wrote:
I have a Tengu with 2 Medium Core Defense Field Extender II rigs and a Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II rig.
With out getting rid of the rigs what is a got fit for level 4 missions or solo wormhole?


That tengu with extender rigs could be used for missions or fro running incursions. Its not optimal for missions TBH but it will work!

Problem is, its omnitank will be pretty low.


[Tengu, Mission - Omni]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Power Diagnostic System II

10MN Afterburner II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Dread Guristas Small Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Shield Boost Amplifier II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile

Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

254 omni tank, 13m cap.

[Tengu, Mission - Serpentis]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

10MN Afterburner II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Dread Guristas Small Shield Booster
Cap Recharger II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Missile

Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Capstable, 377 tank vs. Serpentis.

[Tengu, Incursion - AWU5 DPS]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

10MN Afterburner II
EM Ward Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Missile

Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

This can be used to run incursions with TVP as DPS in assault or hq sites.

Starts: 91.9k EHP, resists: 72 89 84 74

Top skill is needed however, but you can add one PDS in low slot:

[Tengu, Incursion - DPS]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Power Diagnostic System II

10MN Afterburner II
EM Ward Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Heavy Missile

Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

101k EHP, less skill required, resists as above.