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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#641 - 2012-09-10 04:35:46 UTC
serras bang wrote:
why the hell aint goons doing it ?


yeahhhh about that

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#642 - 2012-09-10 04:36:06 UTC
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Jake Rivers wrote:
Oh and stop screwing around CSM, there are some serious game issues you guys keep failing to address to CCP.

Name em?
Of all the replies posted since your last reply ... this is the one you choose to acknowledge? (Where is the facepalm emote?)
Dramaticus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#643 - 2012-09-10 04:36:25 UTC
Man this guy is hella illiterate

(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal

The edge is REALLY hard to see at times but it DOES exist and in this case we were looking at a situation where a new feature created for all of our customers was being virtually curbstomped by five of them
serras bang
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#644 - 2012-09-10 04:36:38 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
serras bang wrote:
things take time to program ccp will most likely be worklng on it remmeber ccp also have dust they would like to start getting active on the live server on the winter expansion also so they are actualy really quite busy there prolly still trying to work out the best way to solve it. persides if its really a big problem and legal why the hell aint goons doing it ?

Who says we aren't?

Thats like saying we shouldn't have been talking about tech causing an imbalance because it was a big thing and legal.


then if your takeing advantage of this dont complain and get more done before the fix come to stomp it out instead of argueing on the forums and being unproductive
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#645 - 2012-09-10 04:36:59 UTC
No More Heroes wrote:
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Jake Rivers wrote:
Oh and stop screwing around CSM, there are some serious game issues you guys keep failing to address to CCP.

Name em?


1. Overview standings bug: when titan bridging many people at once, often- many pilots will appear to have no standings towards their fleet members and be generically 'neutral'. This gets people shot and killed.

2. Frequent (20-30) disconnects and crashes when moving through gates or titan bridges in groups ranging from 10-256.

3. Module delay: somewhere on these forums someone else brought this up and frapsed it- I can lock a target, be in range, activate my warp scrambler, and he still warps away because my activation cycle delays, and even expresses the delay by starting off at 3/4 cycle rather than 99%.

4. Industry in null sec. There is absolutely no reason for anyone to do any industry in null sec compared to high sec. Ever. Everything is imported except basic frigate hulls. Unless things change.

5. Ghosts on overview. I will have entities linger on my overview for a good 5-7 seconds after they have left the system, jumped a gate, bridged out, warped away, etc.

6. Sometimes the overview gets really bugged and the 'ghosts' stay forever! I've had bombs linger on my overview and appear to be moving for 3,000+km.

I'll write up more as they come to me Smile


Man that's the bar for *serious* game issues? yeesh:

1. Yeah that'd be very annoying. What's your response on your bug report?
2. Same. CSM cant debug CCP's code but there's a whole wing of CCP that does that.
3. Activation delay is inherent to EVE and playing EVE over a global network afaik. I could be wrong, but either way it's certainly not a "serious game issue" on the level of say how ****** the sov system is.
4. This was talked about on the summit and followed up on via the CCP/CSM forums. CCP wants to look at nullsec but it's down the line their dev plan. A plan designed with CSM6 in office after summer of rage, which thankfully moves development back to flying in spaceships but still can't get everything done at once. However there may be some improvements to nullsec industrial quality of life to be had during the POS revamp which will be coming next year, a process started/encouraged by CSM7 which i'd list as a major initiative.
5. Super annoying bug, no lie. Pretty sure it's on the radar though.
6. Pretty much 5.

1, 2, 5 hardly seem like the kind of "chest sucking wounds" CCP needs to prioritize or the kind of development/gameplay things the CSM could provide meaningful feedback on how they address the issue (but yes they are annoying things). 3 is just how it is. 4 we did.

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM
CliveWarren
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#646 - 2012-09-10 04:37:10 UTC
serras bang wrote:
again why you care you have the low sec ore you make more isk that way by sitting behind a blue firewall and mining


Actually only 2 nullsec ores (Ark and Merc) are worth more than Scordite (or even Plagioclase) and they aren't anywhere near as abundant.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#647 - 2012-09-10 04:37:24 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
lol remember when the Amarr FW team complained to Hans, "the FW rep" about Amarr LP payouts being totally ****** for some mysterious reason and his response was "u just bitter that us minnies are stomping u bitches"?

that's an alekseyev karrde csm7 success story

Well they taught the people who made those trillions of isk worth of LP, didn't they :smug:

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#648 - 2012-09-10 04:37:44 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Jake Rivers wrote:
Oh and stop screwing around CSM, there are some serious game issues you guys keep failing to address to CCP.

Name em?
Of all the replies posted since your last reply ... this is the one you choose to acknowledge? (Where is the facepalm emote?)

is there one in particular you'd like me to reply to?

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#649 - 2012-09-10 04:38:09 UTC
serras bang wrote:
then if your takeing advantage of this dont complain and get more done before the fix come to stomp it out instead of argueing on the forums and being unproductive


yeah uh most of us aren't really in a financial position to worry about the game currency we're not making when we're posting on a forum

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Dramaticus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#650 - 2012-09-10 04:38:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Dramaticus
Also why is the Zealot not red? This is literally a more pressing issue and concerns more people than a few power-tripping do-nothing CSM members.

The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal

The edge is REALLY hard to see at times but it DOES exist and in this case we were looking at a situation where a new feature created for all of our customers was being virtually curbstomped by five of them
CliveWarren
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#651 - 2012-09-10 04:38:21 UTC
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
1, 2, 5 hardly seem like the kind of "chest sucking wounds" CCP needs to prioritize or the kind of development/gameplay things the CSM could provide meaningful feedback on how they address the issue (but yes they are annoying things). 3 is just how it is. 4 we did.


Literally every issue on that list is several orders of magnitude more important than a new voting system.
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#652 - 2012-09-10 04:39:20 UTC
serras bang wrote:
things take time to program ccp will most likely be worklng on it remmeber ccp also have dust they would like to start getting active on the live server on the winter expansion also so they are actualy really quite busy there prolly still trying to work out the best way to solve it. persides if its really a big problem and legal why the hell aint goons doing it ?


Because letting one game burn while working on another totally didn't kick them in the teeth in the past.

Everyone with any desire for easy income is abusing the hell out of the broken FW mechanics. It just requires 2 extra accounts, that after the first day have enough earning potential to earn a PLEX for both accounts every 15 minutes. Two races (Amarr and Gallente) have NPC's with tracking so bad any of the newly buffed mini-interceptor attack frigates can speed tank indefinitely.

All the people complaining about the incursion nerf, inflation, or ships/mods just being too expensive are absolutely 100% affected by this. Something require an immediate fix, this is one of them.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#653 - 2012-09-10 04:39:37 UTC
serras bang wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
serras bang wrote:
things take time to program ccp will most likely be worklng on it remmeber ccp also have dust they would like to start getting active on the live server on the winter expansion also so they are actualy really quite busy there prolly still trying to work out the best way to solve it. persides if its really a big problem and legal why the hell aint goons doing it ?

Who says we aren't?

Thats like saying we shouldn't have been talking about tech causing an imbalance because it was a big thing and legal.

then if your takeing advantage of this dont complain and get more done before the fix come to stomp it out instead of argueing on the forums and being unproductive

Because it'll be fixed if no one says anything. Right. Good stuff.

Isn't the point to get imbalances fixed? You'd rather we just abuse it then. Alright, now to wait for the next big heist or whatever to go off in FW.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#654 - 2012-09-10 04:40:44 UTC
CliveWarren wrote:
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
1, 2, 5 hardly seem like the kind of "chest sucking wounds" CCP needs to prioritize or the kind of development/gameplay things the CSM could provide meaningful feedback on how they address the issue (but yes they are annoying things). 3 is just how it is. 4 we did.

Literally every issue on that list is several orders of magnitude more important than a new voting system.

Pfft, he distracted us from his no CFCs voting system didn't he.

Oh not thanks to this poster. Good job !

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#655 - 2012-09-10 04:41:00 UTC
Xolve wrote:
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:

Despite not being on the CSM, Hans Jagerblitzen was a main player in providing feedback for FW reforms going into Inferno. Since he's been elected he's worked tirelessly in public and in private to improve the experience of FW players by being in near constant contact with that community shuttling between them and CCP. Despite having to do it by chat, Hans was very vocal during the FW meeting at the CSM summit. There's pages and pages of feedback on the CCP/CSM forums since then about upcoming iterations on FW coming in the Winter patch with Hans, Elise, and many others engaging successfully.

Sooooo more like an easy in field catch.


So there is nothing broken about farming alts raking in 10-15b isk a day in Loyalty points until 'Winter'.

Awesome.

I can totally see your point for changing the voting scheme now, no- wait. I can't.

That problem was raised and will be addressed. You're mad about it not being able to happen tomorrow, but pretend that it not happening overnight means that nothing was said about it or will happen to fix it.

Sooo you've p much marginalized your self. Good work.

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#656 - 2012-09-10 04:43:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Alekseyev Karrde
Alavaria Fera wrote:

Pfft, he distracted us from his no CFCs voting system didn't he.

Oh not thanks to this poster. Good job !

You're bad at forums too.

EDIT: Just realized I'm trying to protect the voting power of players who don't want help of any kind. Enjoy Trebor.

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM
CliveWarren
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#657 - 2012-09-10 04:43:57 UTC
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
That problem was raised and will be addressed. You're mad about it not being able to happen tomorrow, but pretend that it not happening overnight means that nothing was said about it or will happen to fix it.

Sooo you've p much marginalized your self. Good work.


This **** GOONS VOTING SYSTEM is proposing to marginalize him for having the audacity to be a part of an organized group of players already. Good work doing it for him, intrepid CSM 7 member!
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#658 - 2012-09-10 04:45:14 UTC
CliveWarren wrote:
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
That problem was raised and will be addressed. You're mad about it not being able to happen tomorrow, but pretend that it not happening overnight means that nothing was said about it or will happen to fix it.

Sooo you've p much marginalized your self. Good work.


This **** GOONS VOTING SYSTEM is proposing to marginalize him for having the audacity to be a part of an organized group of players already. Good work doing it for him, intrepid CSM 7 member!

You are bad at using forums.

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#659 - 2012-09-10 04:46:06 UTC
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:

That problem was raised and will be addressed. You're mad about it not being able to happen tomorrow, but pretend that it not happening overnight means that nothing was said about it or will happen to fix it.

Sooo you've p much marginalized your self. Good work.


You almost as bad at profiling as your are at counter-argument.

I'm certainly not mad about my FW Alt Farm, nor is it my 'priority' in game- it's just too good to pass up. Being 'space-rich' in the past was talked about in inner circles with personal tech moons being the highest metric to measure space wealth, now its faction warfare alts, that if used properly and efficiently, can make a tech moons monthly income in 2 days in one of the two factions that continuously spike T5 warzone control.

Continue speaking on matters that arn't as important as a voting reform.

Excuse us, while we all laugh at your ignorance and stupidity.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#660 - 2012-09-10 04:47:42 UTC
CliveWarren wrote:
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
That problem was raised and will be addressed. You're mad about it not being able to happen tomorrow, but pretend that it not happening overnight means that nothing was said about it or will happen to fix it.

Sooo you've p much marginalized your self. Good work.

This **** GOONS VOTING SYSTEM is proposing to marginalize him for having the audacity to be a part of an organized group of players already. Good work doing it for him, intrepid CSM 7 member!

Yeah, might as well just let you break our arms then. Here.

You could at least pretend "it's for your own good" or "the claimed bias does not exist".

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?