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Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#621 - 2012-09-10 04:24:18 UTC
Dramaticus wrote:
Faction Warfare.


Man- there's nothing wrong with people making 1.5b ISK an hour (on 2 day old alts, thanks 51 day friend referral) in the most exploitable implementation to the game since pre-nerf incursions... wait- it's like pre-nerf incursions multiplied by Incarna-esque 'Greed is Good' pants on head retardation.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#622 - 2012-09-10 04:24:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
No More Heroes wrote:
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Jake Rivers wrote:
Oh and stop screwing around CSM, there are some serious game issues you guys keep failing to address to CCP.

Name em?


1. Overview standings bug: when titan bridging many people at once, often- many pilots will appear to have no standings towards their fleet members and be generically 'neutral'. This gets people shot and killed.

2. Frequent (20-30) disconnects and crashes when moving through gates or titan bridges in groups ranging from 10-256.

3. Module delay: somewhere on these forums someone else brought this up and frapsed it- I can lock a target, be in range, activate my warp scrambler, and he still warps away because my activation cycle delays, and even expresses the delay by starting off at 3/4 cycle rather than 99%.

4. Industry in null sec. There is absolutely no reason for anyone to do any industry in null sec compared to high sec. Ever. Everything is imported except basic frigate hulls. Unless things change.

5. Ghosts on overview. I will have entities linger on my overview for a good 5-7 seconds after they have left the system, jumped a gate, bridged out, warped away, etc.

6. Sometimes the overview gets really bugged and the 'ghosts' stay forever! I've had bombs linger on my overview and appear to be moving for 3,000+km.

I'll write up more as they come to me Smile

CCP already promised fixes. Now lets return to making sure your vote doesn't count.

:trollface:


... wait a sec, you get delays of 3/4th a cycle even when you've prefired the warp scram? Seriously?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#623 - 2012-09-10 04:25:17 UTC
Dramaticus wrote:
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
There's tons of things wrong with the game. I'd like to know which of them we are "failing to address to CCP"

The lack of having an answer on hand says a lot about the whine on this thread


I'll knock this one right out of the park.

Faction Warfare.

Despite not being on the CSM, Hans Jagerblitzen was a main player in providing feedback for FW reforms going into Inferno. Since he's been elected he's worked tirelessly in public and in private to improve the experience of FW players by being in near constant contact with that community shuttling between them and CCP. Despite having to do it by chat, Hans was very vocal during the FW meeting at the CSM summit. There's pages and pages of feedback on the CCP/CSM forums since then about upcoming iterations on FW coming in the Winter patch with Hans, Elise, and many others engaging successfully.

Sooooo more like an easy in field catch.

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM
serras bang
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#624 - 2012-09-10 04:25:44 UTC
No More Heroes wrote:
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Jake Rivers wrote:
Oh and stop screwing around CSM, there are some serious game issues you guys keep failing to address to CCP.

Name em?


1. Overview standings bug: when titan bridging many people at once, often- many pilots will appear to have no standings towards their fleet members and be generically 'neutral'. This gets people shot and killed.

2. Frequent (20-30) disconnects and crashes when moving through gates or titan bridges in groups ranging from 10-256.

3. Module delay: somewhere on these forums someone else brought this up and frapsed it- I can lock a target, be in range, activate my warp scrambler, and he still warps away because my activation cycle delays, and even expresses the delay by starting off at 3/4 cycle rather than 99%.

4. Industry in null sec. There is absolutely no reason for anyone to do any industry in null sec compared to high sec. Ever. Everything is imported except basic frigate hulls. Unless things change.

5. Ghosts on overview. I will have entities linger on my overview for a good 5-7 seconds after they have left the system, jumped a gate, bridged out, warped away, etc.

6. Sometimes the overview gets really bugged and the 'ghosts' stay forever! I've had bombs linger on my overview and appear to be moving for 3,000+km.

I'll write up more as they come to me Smile

ive experienced some of those problems and you know what i think ccp know about them as most of them are bugs and guess what a restart of me comp and router generaly fixes them for me




Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#625 - 2012-09-10 04:26:46 UTC
Guys, let's play catch.

We list problems, and he'll make excuses about why they haven't screwed up. Let's go !

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
CliveWarren
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#626 - 2012-09-10 04:27:13 UTC
Hey Alekseyev - if you guys truly think you're doing a really good job, where does the need to disenfranchise voting blocs come from?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#627 - 2012-09-10 04:27:50 UTC
CliveWarren wrote:
Hey Alekseyev - if you guys truly think you're doing a really good job, where does the need to disenfranchise voting blocs come from?

Because mittanis will screw up everything they've done, don't you see.

Evil bees ~~

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Dramaticus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#628 - 2012-09-10 04:28:10 UTC
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Dramaticus wrote:
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
There's tons of things wrong with the game. I'd like to know which of them we are "failing to address to CCP"

The lack of having an answer on hand says a lot about the whine on this thread


I'll knock this one right out of the park.

Faction Warfare.

Despite not being on the CSM, Hans Jagerblitzen was a main player in providing feedback for FW reforms going into Inferno. Since he's been elected he's worked tirelessly in public and in private to improve the experience of FW players by being in near constant contact with that community shuttling between them and CCP. Despite having to do it by chat, Hans was very vocal during the FW meeting at the CSM summit. There's pages and pages of feedback on the CCP/CSM forums since then about upcoming iterations on FW coming in the Winter patch with Hans, Elise, and many others engaging successfully.

Sooooo more like an easy in field catch.


Sooooo what you're saying is that you(the CSM collectively) is just bad at your task and instead switched to something less taxing.

The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal

The edge is REALLY hard to see at times but it DOES exist and in this case we were looking at a situation where a new feature created for all of our customers was being virtually curbstomped by five of them
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#629 - 2012-09-10 04:28:54 UTC
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
On wardecs I had a rather serious public and private engagement with CCP Soundwave over dissatisfaction with some aspects of the dec system, and despite not being physically present spear headed the war dec meeting at the CSM summit in which several outstanding issues were raised. Whether CCP will iterate on issues, which ones, and how is still an ongoing discussion in prep for the Winter Expansion

Try again.


So this isn't as important as changing the CSM voting process?

This abomination of a thread pretty much sealed your chances of making sure you won't be on the next one- So why don't you sir, Try Again. Shocked
Dramaticus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#630 - 2012-09-10 04:29:00 UTC
Here's another. Fourteen isk pyerite.

GO!

The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal

The edge is REALLY hard to see at times but it DOES exist and in this case we were looking at a situation where a new feature created for all of our customers was being virtually curbstomped by five of them
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#631 - 2012-09-10 04:30:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Xolve
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:

Despite not being on the CSM, Hans Jagerblitzen was a main player in providing feedback for FW reforms going into Inferno. Since he's been elected he's worked tirelessly in public and in private to improve the experience of FW players by being in near constant contact with that community shuttling between them and CCP. Despite having to do it by chat, Hans was very vocal during the FW meeting at the CSM summit. There's pages and pages of feedback on the CCP/CSM forums since then about upcoming iterations on FW coming in the Winter patch with Hans, Elise, and many others engaging successfully.

Sooooo more like an easy in field catch.


So there is nothing broken about farming alts raking in 10-15b isk a day in Loyalty points until 'Winter'.

Awesome.

I can totally see your point for changing the voting scheme now, no- wait. I can't.
Powers Sa
#632 - 2012-09-10 04:30:57 UTC
Javajunky wrote:
Can I vote you're ********? Where is that in the ballot. Because seriously... you're f'ing ********.

This is about as useful as the CSM notes you published... you know the things no one could bother to possibly read because it was the textbook definition of TLDR.

Log in - Vote - Speak you mind - it's that simple.

The voting system works fine as it is. You just don't agree with a majority of voters and want a way to game the system. You must be a democrat.

If I could I would neg rep ***** slap you across the rooom for epic f'ing stupidity...

Get f'ed

Aren't you busy losing jump freighters in lowsec?

Do you like winning t2 frigs and dictors for Dirt Cheap?https://eveninggames.net/register/ref/dQddmNgyLhFBqNJk

Remeber: Gambling addiction is no laughing matter unless you've lost a vast space fortune on the internet.
serras bang
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#633 - 2012-09-10 04:31:28 UTC
Dramaticus wrote:
Here's another. Fourteen isk pyerite.

GO!


suply and demand
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#634 - 2012-09-10 04:32:16 UTC
Xolve wrote:
So there is nothing broken about farming alts raking in 10-15b isk a day in Loyalty points until 'Winter'.

Awesome.

I can totally see your point for changing the voting scheme now, no- wait. I can't.

You can. They need a "boost" to be sure they can stay in.

Certainly, the boost isn't from their amazing performance on the job, eh Cool

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#635 - 2012-09-10 04:33:13 UTC
serras bang wrote:
Dramaticus wrote:
Here's another. Fourteen isk pyerite.

GO!


suply and demand


you're right, pyerite, which is in hilarious abundance throughout highsec which is full of newly buffed exhumers, is in low "suply"

Twitter: @EVEAndski

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serras bang
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#636 - 2012-09-10 04:34:00 UTC
Xolve wrote:
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:

Despite not being on the CSM, Hans Jagerblitzen was a main player in providing feedback for FW reforms going into Inferno. Since he's been elected he's worked tirelessly in public and in private to improve the experience of FW players by being in near constant contact with that community shuttling between them and CCP. Despite having to do it by chat, Hans was very vocal during the FW meeting at the CSM summit. There's pages and pages of feedback on the CCP/CSM forums since then about upcoming iterations on FW coming in the Winter patch with Hans, Elise, and many others engaging successfully.

Sooooo more like an easy in field catch.


So there is nothing broken about farming alts raking in 10-15b isk a day in Loyalty points until 'Winter'.

Awesome.

I can totally see your point for changing the voting scheme now, no- wait. I can't.


things take time to program ccp will most likely be worklng on it remmeber ccp also have dust they would like to start getting active on the live server on the winter expansion also so they are actualy really quite busy there prolly still trying to work out the best way to solve it. persides if its really a big problem and legal why the hell aint goons doing it ?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#637 - 2012-09-10 04:34:01 UTC
serras bang wrote:
Dramaticus wrote:
Here's another. Fourteen isk pyerite.

GO!

suply and demand

CCP is already working hard to make sure highsec-obtainable minerals are cheap by making it easy (afk) and worry-free (less ganking). Thanks for all your hard work ~~

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#638 - 2012-09-10 04:35:07 UTC
serras bang wrote:
things take time to program ccp will most likely be worklng on it remmeber ccp also have dust they would like to start getting active on the live server on the winter expansion also so they are actualy really quite busy there prolly still trying to work out the best way to solve it. persides if its really a big problem and legal why the hell aint goons doing it ?

Who says we aren't?

Thats like saying we shouldn't have been talking about tech causing an imbalance because it was a big thing and legal.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
serras bang
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#639 - 2012-09-10 04:35:38 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
serras bang wrote:
Dramaticus wrote:
Here's another. Fourteen isk pyerite.

GO!

suply and demand

CCP is already working hard to make sure highsec-obtainable minerals are cheap by making it easy (afk) and worry-free (less ganking). Thanks for all your hard work ~~


again why you care you have the low sec ore you make more isk that way by sitting behind a blue firewall and mining
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#640 - 2012-09-10 04:35:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
lol remember when the Amarr FW team complained to Hans, "the FW rep" about Amarr LP payouts being totally ****** for some mysterious reason and his response was "u just bitter that us minnies are stomping u bitches"?

that's an alekseyev karrde csm7 success story