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Call For Discussion : CSM Voting Reform

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Haquer
Vorkuta Inc
#561 - 2012-09-10 03:00:38 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
I do not normally comment on CSM issues, but regrettably some in the CSM have invoked my name in a way that would imply or infer that I advocate for or otherwise support this proposal, which I do not.

I think it is unfortunate that this CSM is so afraid of popular voting that they would invent a new system while trying to pass it off under the guise of 'STV'; I can understand their fear of bloc voting and I respect their opinion, but trying to imply that I somehow support this policy shows that they have a lot of growing up to do. The popular opinion is that the CSM should be focusing on game-related issues and getting results instead of fretting about who 'controls' the CSM itself - after all, who cares who controls a CSM if it accomplishes nothing?

This will be my only comment on the issue. Please do not try to involve me in your proposals again; if you must bring up whether I supported X, Y or Z in the past, we're all in a Skype channel together so there's no excuse for not conferring with me about what I support/do not support before making a public assertion to that effect. Good luck in your future endeavors!


Thank you for this post.

It was hilarious of them to try and say you supported this.
Pirokobo
Game.Theory
GameTheory
#562 - 2012-09-10 03:02:06 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
I do not normally comment on CSM issues, but regrettably some in the CSM have invoked my name in a way that would imply or infer that I advocate for or otherwise support this proposal, which I do not.



In summary...

"I've heard what you're saying. You know nothing of my work."
Rek Esket
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#563 - 2012-09-10 03:03:55 UTC
The CSM was better when it was accomplishing things instead of whining about things.
Sixx Spades
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#564 - 2012-09-10 03:04:42 UTC
If you're gonna start shoving words in people's mouths, be ready to eat some too.

Using a weapon as a deterrent in a diplomatic situation is only viable when you have proven that you have deployed it in the past and are willing to use it in the future.
whaynethepain
#565 - 2012-09-10 03:06:08 UTC
I believe voting should not be fixed.

I also believe each voter should have a representative.

Getting you on your feet.

So you've further to fall.
Proletariat Tingtango
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#566 - 2012-09-10 03:06:50 UTC
Posting for Dear Leader.
Kaleb Rysode
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#567 - 2012-09-10 03:06:54 UTC
Pirokobo wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
I do not normally comment on CSM issues, but regrettably some in the CSM have invoked my name in a way that would imply or infer that I advocate for or otherwise support this proposal, which I do not.



In summary...

"I've heard what you're saying. You know nothing of my work."


To continue on that, "We become what we behold. We shape our tools and then our tools shape us."

"The reality is that the sandbox is amoral. You don't have to like it, but...reality owns."
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#568 - 2012-09-10 03:08:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Likes for "redo democracy" proposal: 5 within 2 days
Likes for "eat a phallus csm7" proposal: 45+ within 10 minutes
Arya Greywolf
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#569 - 2012-09-10 03:09:52 UTC
Haquer wrote:
Yeah, this totally won't backfire when the candidates end up working together instead of the voters.


This, this and this.
mostlyharmlesss
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#570 - 2012-09-10 03:10:40 UTC
Is genuinely saddens me that the CSM has turned into a bunch of cry babies, instead of the panel that actually set up requirements towards CCP.

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SavageBastard
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#571 - 2012-09-10 03:11:59 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Likes for "redo democracy" proposal: 5 within 2 days
Likes for "eat a phallus csm7" proposal: 45+ within 10 minutes



Let them hate so long as they fear.
Jake Rivers
New Planetary Order
#572 - 2012-09-10 03:12:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Jake Rivers
This is a silly way to run a vote.

The current system of players (and or there alt accounts) casting a vote for who they want to represent them in the CSM is a good enough system.

If you are not popular enough to gain enough votes by the players of eve then you better rethink your election campaign for the next time around.

Oh and stop screwing around CSM, there are some serious game issues you guys keep failing to address to CCP.

Senex Legio
Sixx Spades
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#573 - 2012-09-10 03:13:39 UTC
Nerf organized voting ITT

Using a weapon as a deterrent in a diplomatic situation is only viable when you have proven that you have deployed it in the past and are willing to use it in the future.
Kaleb Rysode
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#574 - 2012-09-10 03:15:52 UTC
SavageBastard wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Likes for "redo democracy" proposal: 5 within 2 days
Likes for "eat a phallus csm7" proposal: 45+ within 10 minutes



Let them hate so long as they fear.


Caligula was just misunderstood.

"The reality is that the sandbox is amoral. You don't have to like it, but...reality owns."
Trendon Evenstar
Olympus Gods
#575 - 2012-09-10 03:17:17 UTC
What have you done for us lately CSM?

Get the overview standings bug fixed and quit screwing around with votes.
Javajunky
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#576 - 2012-09-10 03:17:42 UTC
Can I vote you're ********? Where is that in the ballot. Because seriously... you're f'ing ********.

This is about as useful as the CSM notes you published... you know the things no one could bother to possibly read because it was the textbook definition of TLDR.

Log in - Vote - Speak you mind - it's that simple.

The voting system works fine as it is. You just don't agree with a majority of voters and want a way to game the system. You must be a democrat.

If I could I would neg rep b1tch slap you across the rooom for epic f'ing stupidity...

Get f'ed
Eric Xallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#577 - 2012-09-10 03:21:59 UTC
This is a pretty bad proposal. At a minimum only the voter should be able to control preferences, allowing candidates to allocate votes to other candidates is just ******** and does the opposite to what the system is supposed to be intended for (unless its meant to be a corrupt system, then its doing what's on the box)

In RL countries where preferential votes are used, the people running can suggest preferences, but always, always, always, it is up to the voter where to direct preferences and candidates should never have any control over this past suggesting.
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#578 - 2012-09-10 03:24:32 UTC
If a certain cross section of the player base doesn't feel like they are being accurately represented by the CSM, they ought to organize, mobilize, and vote.

To do anything else implies that the cross section is crippled in some way and must be propped up by artificial means.

.
Courthouse
Perkone
Caldari State
#579 - 2012-09-10 03:24:41 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
I do not normally comment on CSM issues, but regrettably some in the CSM have invoked my name in a way that would imply or infer that I advocate for or otherwise support this proposal, which I do not.

I think it is unfortunate that this CSM is so afraid of popular voting that they would invent a new system while trying to pass it off under the guise of 'STV'; I can understand their fear of bloc voting and I respect their opinion, but trying to imply that I somehow support this policy shows that they have a lot of growing up to do. The popular opinion is that the CSM should be focusing on game-related issues and getting results instead of fretting about who 'controls' the CSM itself - after all, who cares who controls a CSM if it accomplishes nothing?

This will be my only comment on the issue. Please do not try to involve me in your proposals again; if you must bring up whether I supported X, Y or Z in the past, we're all in a Skype channel together so there's no excuse for not conferring with me about what I support/do not support before making a public assertion to that effect. Good luck in your future endeavors!


Don't worry folks, the CSM's hard at work redefining democracy. We'll get to critical issues as relates to gameplay after the winter summit. Summit notes to follow shortly after CSM 8 elections conclude.
Mr Disco
Doomheim
#580 - 2012-09-10 03:27:22 UTC
Aren't you supposed to be working on fixing the game, instead of figuring out how to hold on to power?