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Would be hilarious when Real Candidate jumps from last to first because Front Man did something to get themselves kicked. Surprise !

That would mean not throwing our votes out, clearly not the way to go.

Holy ****, someone page Issler Dainze and Darius III to this thread, they are now the CSM members I have the most respect for and I really want to hear what they have to say. The rest of you deflecting BS artists can get out.

If he starts answering questions now, he'll probably get asked some really annoying question about the relation between the Dominion sov system and full-on learning disabilities and it'd all just go downhill from there.

Normally just dropping out of discussion like this would have consequences, but hey, nobody but the blocs care about the CSM at all anyway, and if he gets his way, there's even less they'll be able to do about it!




Darius could post that he backed this idea just to make goons angry and I'd still respect him the most of the bunch because he was at least honest about it.

Oh ho ~ but will he get his way?

Could've tried to be stealthier, this is like the time that enemy FC warping his bombers to the blob at zero and they died.

I unironically agree with this. And Issler could say anything and I'd know it was just Issler being Issler.

Wonder when they'll declare Mission Accomplished: Concensus Achieved, new voting system is greenlighted?

There have been a bunch of folks asking about using real STV for voting. The reason I don't like that solution is not because Goons would be able to exploit it (though it would certainly help large organized blocs), I don't like it because it requires *more* effort from voters who have already shown that clicking a couple of buttons is far too much work for them. Asking them to rank 5 or so people would probably reduce the turnout, which is not a good thing.

As I said like 20 pages ago, my concern with the current system is that it penalizes smaller communities running more than one candidate. If there were 4 or 5 wormhole folks running, none of us would have been elected. Possible other alternatives:
1) A true primary system, where the normal voting system is used to narrow down the candidate list.
2) Some sort of reserved seat system where each community is allocated seats. I don't like this because I don't see how you could possibly decide how many seats nullsec gets vs w-space. It is quite clear to most folks that the population stats aren't all that meaningful.
3) My previous suggestion, where candidates rank all the other candidates and a real STV system is run using candidate choices in place of voter choices. I think this is worth discussing, and could even be extended if CCP is able to devote development resources into a true STV system, where people can either use a candidate's preferences or enter in their own.

Any other actual ideas? I think it is quite clear that some folks don't like the system proposed in the OP, so lets talk alternatives.

I think this whole voting system thing is a smokescreen for the true problem, which is abysmal voter turnout and general apathy towards the CSM. Talking about voting system changes in the face of that is akin to carefully planning the decoration of a party that nobody's attending anyway.

Maybe they should consider closing the discussion to goons and "goon alts".

I'm sure after removing all those undesirables, the clear agreement of the masses for the new "fairer" system will be obvious.

I do not normally comment on CSM issues, but regrettably some in the CSM have invoked my name in a way that would imply or infer that I advocate for or otherwise support this proposal, which I do not.

I think it is unfortunate that this CSM is so afraid of popular voting that they would invent a new system while trying to pass it off under the guise of 'STV'; I can understand their fear of bloc voting and I respect their opinion, but trying to imply that I somehow support this policy shows that they have a lot of growing up to do. The popular opinion is that the CSM should be focusing on game-related issues and getting results instead of fretting about who 'controls' the CSM itself - after all, who cares who controls a CSM if it accomplishes nothing?

This will be my only comment on the issue. Please do not try to involve me in your proposals again; if you must bring up whether I supported X, Y or Z in the past, we're all in a Skype channel together so there's no excuse for not conferring with me about what I support/do not support before making a public assertion to that effect. Good luck in your future endeavors!